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She retired her parents at 30, built a network marketing empire, and then asked herself: “Now what?”

Blair Jones transformed from a 40-pound overweight bar worker drowning in uncertainty to a wildly successful entrepreneur who achieved everything she dreamed of—only to discover that reaching the finish line isn’t the end of the story.

In this raw conversation, Blair opens up about the identity crisis that followed her massive success and how she’s navigating the beautiful mess of redefining herself as a mother, wife, and evolved entrepreneur. She reveals the wisdom she’s gained from learning to love herself without the hustle and why being in the “unknown” might be exactly where transformation happens.

Key Takeaways:

• The simple morning routine that keeps high-achieving couples connected (even with screaming kids around)
• Why she built her network marketing empire through community instead of sales tactics—and the exact approach that retired her parents at 30
• The identity reprogramming technique she uses daily to separate self-worth from achievement

This isn’t about choosing between ambition and presence—it’s about discovering who you are when you’re no longer defined by what you’re chasing.

Connect With Blair Jones

Instagram: @blair.rachel.jones
Website: blairracheljones.com

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Emily Hirsh: On today’s episode, I am so excited to welcome Blair Jones. She is such a powerhouse. 

Blair Jones: At the age of 30, I retired my parents and I’m a present mom. It’s gonna be over in a sec, and I’m radically present to that. I kept running the same programming without an evolution, and so then from there I’ve kind of given myself permission to branch out was, which was extremely scary,

Emily Hirsh: and we got deep into relationships, some juicy tips that I will personally be taking some inspiration from.

Blair Jones: I miss being horny as fuck. I miss wanting to ravish my husband, or for my husband to ravish me. I’m gonna tell you my secret. Are you ready for my secret? 

Emily Hirsh: You guys are gonna love this conversation. Embodied CEOs don’t chase trends. They pave the way they lead from within. Move by purpose, unshaken by noise.

When you are the source, you do not need permission. All right. Let’s do it right into it. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much, babe. I’m so excited. Yeah, this is fun. Yeah, we like a little bit, know each other and I feel like after these I always like know people way better. Even my friends. I’m like, I didn’t know all that about you.

The best part about a podcast. Yeah. Yeah. So let’s start. Tell me, let’s start with your story where it would make sense to dive in. 

Blair Jones: Yeah. A little bit of background. So from, originally from Minnesota, I grew up on a farm. My parents are super blue collar. My dad worked in the union for 40 years. My mom’s.

Been in a Western, I really wanna say that. She’s a western medicine practicing nurse, so she’s a registered nurse. So all the things that I do, home birthing, homeo, prophylactics you know, don’t believe in any of mainstream health things. Super foreign to her, which is so funny. So yeah. And now here I live with my husband both entrepreneurs love network marketing.

I was listening to a podcast on the way here, and I was just talking like I, and the question to the person was, what’s your very first thought as a little kid? And I was like, what was my very first thought as a little kid? And I distinctly remember because my parents would always argue about money.

And my first thought was, I was like. I’m, I’m never gonna worry about money. So I really believe that I like came into this life where that like money was not gonna be my, at least in this one where it was like money. I’m not gonna learn that one this time. So very fortunate to grow a very abundant, prosperous business where at the age of 30 I retired my parents and I’m a present mom and you know, now being a mother and in a new identity shift, like money and time wasn’t an option.

What or wasn’t an issue, what would I do? And I’m really in that inquiry. So that’s where I am. Present day.

Emily Hirsh: Yeah. So tell me a little bit about the business. I know you’re a network marketing and I know you’ve. You’re very creative with it. Mm-hmm. So I wanna dig into that a little bit. Yeah, yeah. Tell me, tell me about it.

Blair Jones: Yeah. So at 22, I had just graduated college. I had, I went to school for English communication and English literature, so I can read and write really well, but I’m a terrible speller, which is very comical. And then I found myself working at a bank because I thought I needed to get a nine to five, and then I worked at a bar because I could make a shit ton of money, and I was 40 pounds overweight and I had no clue what I was gonna do.

And I was like, I don’t, what am I gonna do for the next 40 years of my life? And I was kind of dumbfounded because my parents hated their jobs and they always fought about money. And I was like, okay, what do I do? And I remember thinking about, okay, so I need to start like getting myself back together.

And so I found a friend that was helping people with. Their health and nutrition. I knew nothing about nutrition. I was living in Wisconsin at the time, so beer and cheese curds were the, you know, foundational part of the food pyramid there. And I lost 40 pounds really quickly. And then all the girls that I worked at the bar with were like, what are you doing?

And I just kept sending them to this guy. And finally he’s like, do you wanna help these girls lose weight? And I’m like, absolutely not. I don’t wanna be part of a pyramid scheme. And he laughed. And then he’s like, great, do you wanna share your story to inspire other women? And I remember walking into this event where all these people had all these amazing health results on these products.

And I went and shared my story, and then they started talking about how people were making 5,000, 10,000, $25,000 a month. And I laughed. I was like, oh my gosh, if they can do it game over. I totally can do this. And so I went from, I always joke, I was working at a bar. And then all of my regulars came to my nutrition bar.

And so then I started helping people with health and nutrition in the same town that I was partying, doing lots of cocaine, drinking avidly, 40 pounds overweight, and just made a conscious shift. Now I know as a conscious shift to just turn tune into my health, same person or same town, different person.

And then it really just catapulted my career and it was, it was kind of game over from there. I was like, and, and also I was living Wisconsin, Wisconsin’s like 10 years behind the curve of everything. And so supporting people in these small, teeny rural towns where all they really have is a gas station or Walmart or McDonald’s to introduce them to something where.

They can feel good, it tastes good. And it’s not gonna, it’s not this huge complicated, biohacking long-term thing that they have to do every single day. But to make these small shifts and these very blue collar towns was monumental for them. And then they’re losing this weight and they’re feeling better and they stop drinking soda and they learn what protein is outside of peanut butter.

And so it, it hadn’t, it was amazing. I mean, my dad lost 60 pounds, my mom’s lost 40 pounds, my sister’s lost 75 pounds. And it was really because we just weren’t educated. A lot of people aren’t educated on nutrition, but to me I was like, we have to, we can start somewhere. And I was relatable to those people ’cause I was those, those people.

Emily Hirsh: Wow, that’s so cool. That what an impact on your family too.

Blair Jones: My family alone, I mean, just from our health and then now financially, it’s again, like I have an account for all three of my nieces. For my sister’s eight years older than me. And I always had like this, my sister was really my mother and so I was like, okay, how can I repay my sister for all that she really did for me growing up?

And I was like, man, to put her three kids through college so they don’t have to worry about that. That’s my gift back to them. And then I retired my parents because I was like, man, what they did was not easy blessings to them. And so to be able to support them

Emily Hirsh: yeah,

Blair Jones: no brainer.

Emily Hirsh: Wow. That is incredible.

Yeah.

Emily Hirsh: And it’s obviously like network marketing isn’t easy to be that successful like you are No one in a million it feels like of right. Of that success. So obviously because you were them, I’m sure that mm-hmm. That really helped with the connection, which is key relatability. Yeah. But what do you feel like contributed to the massive success and.

I think you probably get asked this question, but like network marketing gets kind of a bad Oh, for sure. Right? Yes. But you’ve been wildly successful. Yeah.

Blair Jones: So yeah. That’s kind of the funny thing when some people meet me and then they get to know me, and then they’re like, and then finally it’s, I heard this saying once, it’s like in California, it’s like, what do you do in New York?

It’s who do you know? And in Austin, Texas, it’s, who are you? And so here in Austin or a lot of places I’ve gone and these people get to know me and they then all of a sudden they really like me, they become friends and then they’re finally like, I know nothing about what do you do? And then I tell them, and they’re like, wait, you do network marketing?

And I was always like, yes. I, because it, I kind of chain, my goal is, is that I wanna re flip the script on the stigma and flip the script like we’re normal people. I, I, I found something that I wildly believed in that changed the course of my life. And then I was able to support my friends and family and community in little tiny Wisconsin.

And then all of a sudden it’s like, okay, great. I need to, I need. To create some type of income. Well, why not do it in something that I believe in? And so I’m just so grateful that I found it. And so to me, I feel like there’s so much more, it’s to teach people about their health, to teach people about nutrition, to support people in a safe place to come to and to create a community is really what I did.

And then we happen to be doing X products that they’re probably doing anyway, but now they have a person with it that can support them. And of course, I’m biased because these products changed my life, so of course I’m gonna talk about these ones compared to any other ones.

Emily Hirsh: Yeah. And I, I think, I think that’s the key is like the, the product was kind of a byproduct of the, it was a piece to the transformation, but you did the work and you had that connection of the story and mm-hmm.

I’m sure you did other things beyond the product and you’re able to bring all of that into the whole picture, which is. Definitely key versus like, I, the product’s gonna create all the money for me. Right, right. Like it’s a whole big picture that you created the success with.

Blair Jones: And again, I, I found it when I was 23, so I, and then I started the business a year and a half later, so I was 24.

And I, you know, I was young, I had no kids and I was wildly driven and so. And, and who’s to say that I couldn’t come, you know, I’m in this kind of, this identity shift in this moment now because I’m now 36 and I have two kids. And so if I’m like, what would’ve happened if I would’ve found these, this business?

Now I asked myself that all the time. I, I think the answer would’ve been the same because I would’ve been like, who am I, what is it that I wanna create? What is it that I wanna do? And in pregnancy and postpartum, I mean, the first thing I thought about is how to, to feel my best. I need to get back to myself.

And what’s that mean? That eating good, drinking good water, moving my body, all things I did back when I was 23, trying to lose 40 pounds.

Yeah.

Blair Jones: And so I would’ve, whether I found it at 24, I would’ve found it at 36. Again, I think I would’ve. I think the answer would’ve been the same. It just happened, it happened to be at 24 then, if that makes sense.

Emily Hirsh: Yeah, totally. Yeah. And so have you, this whole time you, you’re been involved in network marketing, you haven’t branched off into like your own programs or your own offers or have you sort of,

Blair Jones: I mean, I think that people have really found on social media, a lot of the things that I share is for a lot of enjoyment.

Like it’s kind of my online diary. And so a lot of things I talk about is parenting and my marriage and for whatever reason people have found such like, are so wildly interested in our, my husband and i’s marriage. My husband’s a very public figure and so people are so curious and we don’t, we don’t sugarcoat it.

Like we really talk about the hard shit and how we move through shit and. How we navigate all of this business and parenting and relationship and health and all the fast-paced parts of life. And we really get into the nuances of it. And I don’t know why people really have been really interested in that private part of our lives.

And so we created an online course about that, again, out of peer enjoyment. And then astrology has been a huge part of my life for the last 11 years. I found astrology really early on when I was in network marketing, and it played a pivotal role. I didn’t even know it, of how much it supported and forecasted a lot of the decisions I made inside of my business.

And then postpartum. I was like, great. I would love to learn. How do I do that? How do I do that for myself? These people can do this to me, but how do I create these answers? And so then I got super into astrology and I think it was kind of, because I had never branched out from network marketing for 13 years.

I mean, I went. I mean, it was, that’s all eat lived and breathed. And I think it had to be that way for me personally, because if it, if it wasn’t where I wanted it, if it wasn’t gonna get me where I wanted to go, I didn’t do it. And, and that’s my personality type because I didn’t wanna be distracted. And so I, I didn’t kind of dabble in many things.

I dabbled in one and, and I went all in for an end game because to me at that time, I didn’t have kids and I didn’t have a husband. And I was like, I’m, I very, was very clear with myself. I was like, I wanna be able to retire, quote unquote, I the age of 30. And everybody laughed and I was like, that’s my ticket, that that’s exactly what I’m gonna do.

And so. Once I kind of hit my finish line I kept going and then I felt really unfulfilled. I was like, man, why am I now unhappy? I’ve achieved everything. I’ve created everything. I’ve built the business, I have the marriage, I have the kids. And I think from there it’s because I had accomplished everything that I set out to do.

And then now, like I alluded to a few times, the identity shift is who am I now? ’cause I’m not the same 24-year-old girl living on the floor of her business trying to make it building a dream. I built it. And so, but I kept running the same programming without an evolution. And so then from there, I’ve kind of given myself permission to branch out, which was, which was extremely scary because people saw me as one way, and then I got nervous that I’m like, okay, great.

Well, I don’t want people to compare themselves to me because. I’m at a different phase now, and so that’s kind of been an interesting part to navigate where it’s like, I don’t to inspire a young entrepreneur. Please don’t compare yourself to what we’ve accomplished. Now, let me share with you the wisdom that I have from there till now.

But to give myself a little bit of freedom to explore because I, I personally have given myself, I’ve earned the right to do that. Now, I, I, of course, I’ve earned the right to do that at any time, but particularly for me in my journey when I set out to do, I don’t think that I earned the right to do that because I, I don’t know if I would’ve.

Created what I’ve created.

Emily Hirsh: Yeah. I always say you have to earn the right not to hustle. Mm. Like people shit on hustling all the time. Like especially right now, right? Mm-hmm. You know? Mm-hmm. Oh yeah. That’s soft. You gotta have Yeah, like the balance and, and not work too hard. And like there’s a lot of criticism on it, but it’s like almost every successful business owner I know had a season

for sure of

Emily Hirsh: hustling and you gotta earn the right to not have to do that.

But it’s interesting what you said of like that identity crisis. ’cause it sounds like for a long time you had a purpose of like where you were going and gonna retire at 30 and what you were building. Then once you had that, it’s like, okay, but what’s my purpose now? For sure. And I think we don’t realize how much that chase is our identity.

Mm-hmm.

Emily Hirsh: And then when you don’t have the reason to chase anymore and you think you have everything. You wanted and you’re like, now I will be perfectly happy. Right. Because I made it right and you’re less happy. Yes, because the chase was the fulfillment.

Blair Jones: It was actually extremely painful. ’cause it’s, this has been going on for the last, I would say about two years.

It was extremely painful and primarily because my, my very, very best friend. She, when I kind of like, I wanna say hit. Like my 10,000 feet, and I kind of was like, okay, great. 10,000 feet. You can unbuckle your seatbelt, like you can move about the cabin. And it’s like, wait, I have free, like I didn’t really know what that meant.

And then my very, very best friend, she is, she is where she’s in the hustle, she’s in the grind. She has like definitive purpose every moment she wakes up, she’s so clear on her audience, she’s so clear on her purpose, she’s so clear on her business. And that was so fucking confronting to me. Like to the depths of my soul, I would cry because I’d be like, well, who am I?

I’m standing right next to this person who’s so clear on who she is. And I, and I felt less than I felt unworthy. I didn’t feel like I deserving, I didn’t feel like I was growing. And it really put a wedge in our friendship. Purely for her being. And it was putting up a lot of mirrors for me of like, you’re feeling so challenged because you don’t know who you are.

You’re at, at, you don’t have that. You did it right. And so to be in this season, it’s been a lot of unwinding and unraveling and, and in our friendship now. And so I finally shared with her like, Hey, I’m sorry that it’s hard for me sometimes of your success, which is the worst fucking thing you can say to a powerful, successful woman.

It’s like, you are so bright and shiny. It actually makes me feel less, you know, what a terrible thing to say to your best friend. And I shared that with her and I said, I’m, I’m sorry that I haven’t been able to champion you because of my own shit. And then we cried and she said, you know, I don’t, I don’t love you for any of your accolades.

I don’t love you for what you’ve created or accomplished. I love you because of who you were when I met you, and I didn’t know anything about you. She’s like, none of this stuff really matters. What matters is who you, who we are to each other, not what we do out in the world. And now it took me a long time to really wrap my mind around it.

So every morning, and I text her and I said, okay, wait, so you, you love me just because you love me. And if I deleted social media and sometimes I use a microwave and and because I really just wanna hang out with my kids today, you’ll still love me. And she’s like, I’ll love you even more. So every morning I wake up and I’m always like, okay, so if I get a rotary phone tomorrow.

And I don’t wear shoes, and sometimes I like to eat, you know, GMO ice cream, you’ll still love me. She goes, of course. And so it’s, it’s like reinstiling, this programming that I am, I’m worthy of love, not for what I’ve accomplished, but for who I am.

Emily Hirsh: Hmm.

Blair Jones: Yeah.

Emily Hirsh: It’s really shifting your identity, right? It’s been because like your identity is wrapped around, was wrapped around the, like what I’m achieving and the identity of the healthy, I don’t use the microwave and mm-hmm.

I don’t eat the GMO and then okay, but what if I do

Blair Jones: mm-hmm. Sometimes. Mm-hmm. Then

Emily Hirsh: who am I? Mm-hmm.

Blair Jones: Yeah. It’s like a brand, it’s like a, like a toddler really orienting herself on the planet. You know, I have a 3-year-old, she asked me why every seven seconds? And so I, but she’s really putting together the, her version of the world, her perception of the world, and I really feel like that’s where I’m at.

And I still run my business, which is such you a weird, which is again weird. Like, okay, I have this thing kind of on, on autopilot and I know where I am here. But then if this, you have this moving ship and you step off of it and it’s still moving, it’s like, who am I? And that’s kind of the position of or place that I’m in.

It’s been, it’s been wild. It’s been a wild trip. And

Emily Hirsh: then kids, right? Yeah. Because kids, you slow, you still have to slow down. Mm-hmm. Right. And then I, that was, I have a different story, but with kids, yes. Like. You, they just bring you right to the present where when you’re used to chasing, you’re almost never in the present.

You’re chasing that future constantly. So is right now your season where you really wanna be home with the kids? Or, or do you still like, have that drive of like, I really wanna have the moments of hustle and chasing something? Are you unsure or like, where do you feel that?

Blair Jones: I think I’ve given myself radical permission versus try to identify.

So there are days where I feel radically inspired to do something inside my business, and then there’s days that I feel radical joy being so present with my kids. And so I, I, I’ve tried not, I’ve tried to surrender. It’s because I’ll get peaks of inspiration and it really, I mean, it’s like kind of orgasmic when I go in and I do like two, three hours of hard like work and create something and send something out and build something.

And then I like, okay, good. You know, like the sigh of relief. And then, so I’ve really just kind of surrendered what it is or what it’s labeled and just kind of given myself permission to ebb and flow and the feeling especially right now, like, I mean, we were at a wedding and I was watching my toddler watch these seven and 8-year-old kids, and she was just sitting and watching and watching.

And these seven year, 8-year-old kids, there was three of ’em, and their parents were nowhere. They were inside the wedding, their kids were out there all playing and she just kept watching ’em like, do you wanna go play with them? And she’s like, no, I wanna play with you, mom. Then I just thought, how quickly in four years she’s gonna be those kids and she’s not, might not grab my hand and say, I wanna play with you mom.

And so I was like, man, to just kind of really be good with how grateful am I that I chose the path that I did to have spaciousness where I can be present. ’cause it’s gonna be over in a sec. And I’m radically present to that. So I try to find gratitude in the opportunities that I can still go into my business and then find radical gratitude that I don’t have to.

And so I think that’s where I’m at right now. Mm. Oh, I didn’t think I was gonna cry. Yeah, I know. It’s like, wow. It’s wild. It’s also a heavy yeah, we’re coming

Emily Hirsh: off a heavy weekend of Yeah. I think that’s where a lot where

Blair Jones: I’m crying is though. Yeah. Same

Emily Hirsh: from the, from the weekend. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have, my oldest is 10 and I feel like we’re at the this.

Moment where he is starting to like, it hasn’t happened, but it’s like, you know, they start to pull away.

Blair Jones: Yeah.

Emily Hirsh: And it’s like, so sad, you know, my baby. And, and he’d rather sometimes be with friends or just be in his room by himself. And then I’ve got my youngest 5-year-old who’s still attached to me 24 7.

And I’m like very much more able to appreciate that with the last one than I think I did with him. But yeah, it’s, you know, that time goes so fast. I think my, I think my number one fear in life is to get to an age and look back and wish I spent my time differently. Yeah. That’s what, that’s my number one fear is like to have a regret of, of like, I worked too much or I did this and I didn’t appreciate it.

But then also within that, it’s just such it’s not black and white because then you put the guilt on yourself mm-hmm. Of like. The constant reminder of how fast time goes and, right. I don’t know. It’s, it’s messy.

Blair Jones: It’s so messy because then it’s like, you know, again, watching my best friend and, and her, you know, just, I’m so proud of her now that I’m out of my own shit and watching what she’s building and what she’s creating and she’s being like, I mean, she’s really doing it.

And, ’cause I didn’t, I didn’t, I wasn’t in the grind with two kids. And so, and she is, and how she’s able to create this, like, I’m, I’m in such awe of her and also like a lot of the things she talks about is like, I wanna show my kids what it’s like to go for it and what it’s like to build this thing. And they get, they’re literally in real time watching her create and build and, and what it’s providing for their family.

And then I’m like, okay. You know, and then it’s, I’m observing hers and then I go back and I reflect on mine and I go, okay, well great. Well, I’m not in the grind right now and I’m not building, so does that mean I’m not instilling things into my kids? And so I have to be really careful of comparison of where other women are in their journey and where I am.

And I just, I come back to, I don’t know if it’s woo woo, but it’s a thing that makes the most sense for me. I said, okay, well, whatever. So contract, or whatever reason why I came in with these babies, it, they came in at this time, not when I was 24. So I can’t compare to anybody else’s hustle or grind right now and what it is or isn’t teaching my kids what I can.

Really rest easy in is that if that was what I was supposed to show and teach my children, then they would’ve come in at a different time. Or my timeline would’ve been way different than somebody else’s. So I really need to be conscious that I’m still teaching my children things that are just important and valuable and what they’re here to learn.

Being in the grind or not being in the grind. And it’s, it’s beautiful both ways.

Emily Hirsh: That’s so good. It’s so true. And it’s so easy to go to the, what’s the right, what’s the wrong, like linear

mm-hmm.

Emily Hirsh: Thinking. And you’re right. It’s like we’re all on our own journey and our kids. So I had my son at 20 Dang. And started my business at the same time.

And that was clearly my path. Right, right. And. So I was like, baby in arm, you know, 20 years old, dropped outta college, built the business. And I think that was, I know that was my path and that was also his right path to come into. But then I look at my youngest, who you know by now is five, my oldest is 10.

So five years went by and the business became way more successful and I could have a nanny. And it’s just like a whole different experience for him, right. Than my oldest who I had no idea what I was doing at 20. Like, I mean, yeah, I was, who are me at 20, just a survival mode, you know? And so there was a lot that I, I mean, I did my best, but.

Yeah. Yeah,

Blair Jones: exactly. So it’s like, okay, your, so your 10-year-old has this, all these experiences and watched his mom and knew what she did when she was, and he’s gonna have a completely different childhood than your, your youngest one. Yeah. And then it’s like, well, which one is right? And it’s like, well, they’re both perfect.

They’re both

Emily Hirsh: perfect for what they came in here for. Yeah,

Blair Jones: exactly. And so once I started getting untangled or unbound from some of these. Stigmas or beliefs that I had put on myself. That’s when a lot of this pain started to subside. And where I could share them vulnerably with people or talk about them or, you know, share this with my best friend and kind of loosen its death grip on me and really just kind of surrender to the present moment.

That’s really where I’m just like, okay, this is where the true alchemy starts to happen. It’s like I’m really in an unknown time, which is so frustrating and fucking weird and uncomfortable. And then all I can envision is me. 10 years from now is like, that was such a pivotal time. What a turning point these, these big periods of, or not, it doesn’t even have to be big this moment of time.

That was. So uncomfortable that aren’t generally often the most pivotal. So I think it’s just like really trusting the higher plan here, really surrendering a lot of prayer, a lot of just tuning into my own what’s serving me, what’s not, and really just being unattached to where this goes. But being intentional that every day I’m willing to show up for it.

Emily Hirsh: Yeah. So when you say you’re in an unknown time, it’s kind of ’cause you don’t know what’s next

Blair Jones: mm-hmm.

Emily Hirsh: Is where you’re at.

Blair Jones: Yeah. Like, I mean, is it the third baby? Is it another business? Is it being home with two kids? Is it really just being the, is it just the season of mothering and supporting my husband going out?

Do I get back into my previous business and go ham? Like, I mean, it’s just all kind of. On the table. Is there something else that’s not even that I didn’t even mention that’s better than all or for the greater good of all of those things. So it’s just that,

Emily Hirsh: yeah. And, and, and not knowing which, and just waiting until you have that clarity.

Mm-hmm. So how does that look kinda like a day to day right now and you have all those swirling thoughts?

Blair Jones: Yeah. I think that I had to be careful because part of me wanted to burn everything down. It’s like, okay, great. I don’t wanna be a part of anything, I just wanna start over. And I was like, okay, well be careful.

You know, you just spent 13 years of your life building one of them, so, and it’s, can we just be really grateful that you’ve spent 13 years building it so you can have this time to be here in the unknown? And so, you know, very. Number one, it’s, it’s for me has always been number one, I’m always taking care of myself, so waking up a lot of the times, numb before the kids, like this morning, got up and walked the dog for 30 minutes and got to sauna, and then I get up with the kids and then have, they have breakfast and drop my daughter off, off at summer school and then give myself two, three hours to work on what I wanna work on, whether it’s my current business and network marketing, whether it’s, you know, I was prepping astrology charts before I came here.

And just giving myself spaciousness, like how much I had outsourced. Which I’m so grateful for. I delegated so much when I was in the building phase of my business and then deciding which things that I kind of wanna take back. Like I kind of, I wanna take back cooking a lot of my food, grocery shopping, going to the farmer’s market, sourcing all these things myself.

I, you know, wanna take back. I, I delegated a lot of, you know, sending out Christmas cards and birthday cards to my assistant and I was like, regardless if it’s two or 200, like, I kind of wanna write those Christmas cards this year. I wanna write those. I, I kind of became, I don’t wanna say untouched, I was getting so much done and I was efficient and I was extremely good at it.

And now I kind of wanna take the time to be present with it and like, why did I send out those cards in the first place? ’cause it felt good to me. And so to mail them all out and take the time to do that. So I think it’s reorienting the priorities that I have in this season. I don’t think I’ll ever quote unquote not work.

I extremely enjoy it. But what that work is and what it looks like, again, I kind of, it changes from day to day and shifts from day to day. And I try to just be, because the, I think the the tendency I had in my past life. Of this life was, I would find something and I’d go all in and I’d go a thousand miles an hour, and I would fucking execute it, and it would be the best and it would be amazing.

And I just have to be kind of cautious because I might have a really brilliant idea and I’m so excited and there’s a lot of motivation on it, and I’ve really been practicing patience. So it’s like, okay, great. Can I come back to this in two, three days? And if I’m just as excited, then okay, great, we can do it.

But in two, three days I’m like, oh my God, thank God I didn’t do that. I didn’t act on that emotion because I was like, I do not actually want to do that. That does not sound fun. And so really just giving spaciousness to the, I’m also really into human design of a projector, so I have to be really careful of making emotional, radical decisions because I’ll jump in way my ego jumps in and goes a thousand miles an hour, and then it takes a while for my higher self to kind of come in and be like, it’s not actually what you wanna be doing.

Or it’s like, yes. Great job. You found that needle in the haystack. Let’s go for that one.

Emily Hirsh: I love that. Yeah. I was gonna say, you must be a projector. Yes. I’m a generator. Okay. So I’ll just jump in and keep going. It sounds, yes, yes. And then I’m like, whoa, let me support here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you have, like right now, in this season when you’ve got, okay, I’m excited about this, the pause is so huge.

Mm-hmm. I feel like, like learning that I, and I feel like that’s wisdom of a longtime entrepreneur. Mm-hmm. Right? Even, even as a generator, like learning that, ’cause I have like, I’ll just force pressure on myself for zero reason. Like, I just love sometimes being in a pressure cooker.

Blair Jones: I think that’s the adrenaline of the early entrepreneur.

Yeah. Like I had, I mean, I still feel it and I, and then I watch other people and I’m like, oh my God, they, they’ll tell me what they’re doing and then I get all jazzed and then I like get juiced up and I’m like, here’s what I can do and here’s what I could create and this would be so fun. And then I’m like already to the finish line and I was like.

Wait, pause. And again, it’s like gratitude that I don’t have to or need to be in that pressure cooker. And then also like I, there is parts of me that really grieve that I don’t have that

Emily Hirsh: I know. So recently I found this like AI tool and I built a basically software product in six days. And it was like the first time in years that I had put myself back into like, it felt like the beginning days of like mm-hmm.

Working at night on the week. I’m like, what am I doing? After like a few days I’m like, I actually don’t wanna do this. But it was fun for like six days. It was like just that energy. Yeah. From the beginning of like, and I feel like, I don’t know if, if you, I feel like you also have that energy in the beginning of like, I’m gonna make anything happen and Right.

No matter what. Like there’s no limit and like you’re just. Chasing in that and so excited about that. And then for me, at least after 10 years of entrepreneurship, it will catch me of like, okay, but there’s this, and what if this happens? And this happens? And because I have so much experience of the, the challenges of entrepreneurship, whereas in the beginning I was just delusional like, oh, once I hit that number, like we’re good forever.

We’ll never go backwards. Like I was very delusional in the beginning, which is great. Mm-hmm. Because you just chase that. So there’s many like that grief of missing that I so understand that. And I had this like mini weak where I was like back in that and it felt really good for a few days. And then I was like, all right, and now we’re gonna reset.

I built the product, sold the product, like sold it on a webinar. It was like this huge grind was awesome. Huge like dopamine and high from that. But I. Yeah, you miss it, like,

Blair Jones: mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And so that’s, that’s been the interesting part of the season of both grief and also gratitude. I mean, it’s like every day I wake up and gratitude that I get to wake up and then I’m not in that position.

And then grief, because I was like, well, am I ever gonna find that thing again? Am I ever gonna have that again? I miss that, and that’s where I just get to be really patient of like, yes, it’s gonna come. And can you just kind of be in this transition, like an identity show? I mean, it’s like I’m, I’m allowing this whole reset to happen internally.

Like, can I just be patient all while this thing that you’ve built previously is. Sitting here, can you just remember to foster and tend to it and love it not the way in which you had before, but where you are now with such wisdom and with such love and not with that forceful fucking intense energy that it, this thing has to work.

That I would, I sold my soul to make sure that I, that I could, that I was gonna do this thing. And so yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s interesting. It’s beautiful. It’s messy, it’s sad, it’s happy. It’s so, it’s a, it’s a total trip. It’s a trip, and I know I’ll find my thing again. And I think that’s where astrology has played such a pivotal role in this season, because it was where I’ve been so cautious to not commoditize it in a way in which I.

I would normally or previously have built a business on. So it was, I, I started astrology because it sounded fun. I was really in love with it. And then I kind of just started sharing with people that I was doing it, and my husband’s like, you know, oh my gosh, like, how many clients do you wanna have? I was like, if one person, if one person paid me money, you know, for an astrology reading, that’s it.

I would retire. And then one person, and then 10 people, and then 20 people, and then all of a sudden I had a hundred people. And then I was like, pause. We’ve been here before we’ve done this. And so I forced myself to shut down up my appointment schedule because I was like, you’re doing that thing again, Blair, you’re doing that thing where I was like, okay, great.

So if I did this many, this, how much, and then this, and then we could do classes and then I could leverage time, and then I’m not trading time for money and then I commit. And I was like, stop. That’s not what you’re here for. You’re here to be in genuine service to the other of something that you’re passionate about.

And so I’m really cautious and tender specifically with astrology readings because I don’t wanna make it something that it wasn’t intended to be. And I don’t know what it’s intended to be, but all I know is I love it. And all I know is that I have extreme joy doing it, and that if I never did an astrology reading again for anybody.

I wanna be the best at it and I’m doing it to be the best at it for myself to have the skillset not to profit from it. And if I profit from it down the road, maybe, but that’s, I just need to hold it tender for now. ’cause it’s a slippery slope to go left. ’cause I six days. Yeah. You know, you build a software thing, right?

I, I let one person, then there’s a hundred people and then I was like, slippery slow. Yeah.

Emily Hirsh: Then you get that excitement and then you do lose why you’re doing it. Right. It becomes about the game.

Mm-hmm.

Emily Hirsh: Comes the game of how far can I take this? How hard can I push it? Like how big can I make it?

Blair Jones: Yes. And then I do math in my head, Uhhuh.

And I was like, no, no, no, no. It’s not what we’re getting.

Emily Hirsh: And that’s not a bad thing. I mean, that’s a strength that we both have for sure. Right. Like, but you have to make sure you’re applying that strength to what you really wanna apply it to because then you can lose the purpose of it. And for you, the purpose of the astrology is more the fun and the service versus building it into a million dollar.

Which you absolutely could do. And that’s incredible.

Blair Jones: Right? And so that’s where I just, it’s, yeah. And then I’m, because then I’m, I was like, okay, Blair, pause five. Fast forward five years from now, like, do you wanna change your whole identity, be identity to be the astrology girl? And I was like, I don’t fucking know.

Not really. And it’s like, okay, great, then stop doing that. Because it’s like, but because that’s where I just came from. It’s like you are the, you know, blink, well, you know, fill in the blank. And so I don’t want an niche do right now. I was like, I love talking about macros ’cause it brings me joy. Yeah, I saw your story the other day.

I love these two things

Blair Jones: and they don’t go together and that’s okay. I’m doing everything you’re not supposed to do. You know, it’s like you have many that you talk about parenting and astrology in your marriage and macros, like, what are you? And I was like, I don’t know. I’m in the, I’m in the finding of the niche, you know, and so I’m going against every fucking thing they all talk about.

And I was like, and I get to be okay with that. Because that’s the season that I earned. I was just gonna say,

Emily Hirsh: that’s the important piece is like you have a personal brand.

Blair Jones: Mm-hmm.

Emily Hirsh: Right? And, and you have that following that you’ve created, that you’ll have people, you can talk about many different things because you’ve earned that in your business journey.

So it’s like in the beginning, yes, you need to be very focused on what the problem is that you’re solving and who you’re going after, but after 13 years

mm-hmm.

Emily Hirsh: You earn the right, I think to have that expansion. You see this a lot with influencers and big names, right? They do expand and usually it’s based off of what they become interested in or a shift that they might have.

So I think it’s okay. I mean, you don’t even have to niche down to one of those. I feel like, oh, have. Something for macros and something, you know, whatever. Like there really are no rules,

Blair Jones: right? Who made the rules, right? Me. Exactly. Right. And so, and then that was the thing, you know, my, my best friend had shared with me, she’s like, you know, Blair, you’re here and you’re con confronted with because she had found her thing, the thing that I’m grieving, you know, she found hers and she’s like, can you do me a favor because I’m doing this.

I found my thing ’cause I wanna be where you are and so can you show me how good it can be when I get there? Ah. And I saw my face off and I was like, yes. And that’s my role. How good can I, can it be when she arrives here? You know? ’cause she, it’s, she’s like, this is for a season, so let me ride it while the season that I’m in and show me what it’s like when the season shifts.

And I was like, oh my gosh. And so that changed the whole perspective for me. I’m still learning even what that means. And so we’re, isn’t that like a full si cyclical moment where it’s like she, she has what I want, but she wants to be where I am. It’s like this. I’m like, well, can everyone pause? And it’s humans, man.

We’re like, yeah, can we just take a moment? And like, so it’s been a really beautiful, like I said, and, and, and difficult journey.

Emily Hirsh: Yeah.

Blair Jones: Let’s

Emily Hirsh: talk about motherhood a little bit. Mm-hmm. Tell me about that kind of transition. Where were you in your business when you had your first mm-hmm. Were you still working a lot or had you started to slow down?

Blair Jones: Yeah, I was working a shit ton actually. And then my, I had mentioned to my husband that I wanted to have babies, and he’s like. We can’t have babies right now. He’s like, there’s no way. There’s no way you would survive. Which was annoying because I was like, don’t tell me what I can’t do. You’re like,

Emily Hirsh: watch me,

Blair Jones: watch me, right?

I can work this hard and have kids at the same time. And then I really marinated on that for like a week and I finally shifted and I was like, he’s kind of right. And it was kind of the first initiation where I started to put things in place where I kind of re, I kind of allowed things to be on, I don’t wanna say autopilot, but I kind of started setting up my business where it would function and flow not dependent on me.

Now it still needs me and it still needs, it’s very evident when I’m present and when I’m not. But I would say that it kind of started relieving the, the load or pressure that I had on myself when I was fully integrated in it. So this was back in 2020. And so I started kind of making these micro shifts that really started to support the macro of it.

And then we got pregnant and then had my first baby in 2021. And then that really started to shift and really, really started to invite me into it’s like, okay, great. I don’t, not, not because I can’t do it. I don’t know if I want to be do that anymore. And so again, it was just inviting me into these deeper layers.

Motherhood has been both the most intimidating thing that I’ve ever done, but the thing that I got out of it that I was so didn’t, most unexpected thing that I got out of it was I would say two babies later. I am the most in love with my husband than I’ve ever been in my entire life. We are way more in love post two babies than when we were engaged, which is fascinating because I feel like you hear the opposite.

And it has really required us or really invited us to another level of communication to another level. Intentional conversation, intentional time, intentional growth with each other. So the thing that I think motherhood for the most is how much it has expanded my relationship with my husband, which in turn overflows to making us, you know, allowing me to love my children even more.

Because the love of our relationship is so tended to intentionally marriage for my husband and I doesn’t, or I’d say, yeah, marriage doesn’t come easy for us. It’s probably the thing we work, I work on. Individually the most out of anything in my life. And a lot of that because comes from, because I know all the learning and I don’t therapy I’ve done from my own personal childhood, maybe among other people that I think that the, the love of the parents is gonna be felt the most regardless of how much money we make or what they do.

But if we can create that loving environment, regardless of what our house looks like, any of that shit, that that’s the gift I wanna give them more than anything. And they look back and they’re 30 years old and someone ask them about their parents, it’s like, man, they really loved each other and they really loved us.

Emily Hirsh: That’s so beautiful. And you guys do just radiate that. I think that’s why people are so interested in, in seeing the behind the scenes. I mean, even just the little bit that I’ve seen you guys in person and then mm-hmm. Online your content, like you both radi.

That

Emily Hirsh: energy of love and joy.

Blair Jones: Mm-hmm. And it’s serious work.

Like, I mean we, it’s, it is and but intentionally, because we have, like my husband and I have this saying, it’s like when we’re both a hundred years old, that we’ll be the most in love with each other because we don’t even know who those people are yet. I dunno who my husband is at a hundred, who am I gonna be at a hundred?

And that those evolved versions of us constantly meeting new parts of ourselves. And I think the core foundation or the core value that we have in our relationship is that we’re so committed to growth individually and then also in partnership. And so I’m really, really, really grateful that I’m in partnership with someone who is so committed to personal growth as I am.

And then in turn, that benefits the whole,

Emily Hirsh: how long have you guys been together?

Blair Jones: We got married in 2000 and. October of 2019. Okay. So this will be, October of this year will be six years.

Emily Hirsh: Okay.

Blair Jones: Mm-hmm.

Emily Hirsh: And, and were you both always committed to growth since the beginning, would you say?

Blair Jones: Yeah. That’s all network marketing is.

That’s, it’s like personal development with a compensation plan. Right. You know, the more you grow the more, yeah. Yeah. So it’s like, ’cause he was in network marketing as well and so we have both has been a core foundation of ours individually and, and I will say in completely polar opposite different ways.

Emily Hirsh: So what does it look like today? Like when you say we put a lot of work into it, like what are a few of the, I know for people listening, going,

Blair Jones: yeah. You

Emily Hirsh: know, what can I do?

Blair Jones: For sure. One of the easiest, most simple things is we have a question game. I mean, go on Amazon or anywhere and just Google, like question games for couples.

And we just sit down in the morning and we have it right on our table and we have the one, it’s we’re really not strangers. Couples edition. That’s the one that’s sitting on our table right now. And we’ll just pull cards while we’re sitting there having coffee, regardless. If the kids are running around screaming, we’ll pull a card.

We’ll ask a question. Like this morning, the question was like, what was, what was the physical attribute that you noticed about me? Right when we met and for my husband, I noticed his freckles and we started laughing about that. I’d never seen a black person with freckles. And he was like, what? And he just was like, really?

It’s the first thing you notice of every, I mean, my husband is, is a model, previously a model. He’s very beautiful human. He’s like, you notice my freckles? I was like, yeah. And then he, his answer to me was, you’re traps. ’cause I was super into CrossFit when we met and I was like. Could clean and jerk, you know, 200 pounds.

And my traps were touching my ears and I’m like, oh my God. So then it led us down a rabbit hole of looking up like pictures of Blair in 2010. My traps touching my ears. Like, I mean, it was funny. And so that has really like, just to break up the mundaneness of taking care of kids, of getting the stuff done around the house, of going to work, of doing dishes, of getting a snack for the 10000th time for a kid.

And then also then it goes deeper into the questions, you know, there’s, and then we really, it, so it just really puts to the forefront connection. And there’s light questions and there’s really, really deep questions. And so it’s been really monumental for us to continue to come back to touchpoint.

’cause it gets really easy to be two shifts passing in the night, especially with kids. Yep. And then the more you add. The more you pass each other and then you just go to bed and then, yeah. So that’s been a big one. And then we really create, you know, the question we most ask him from to each other is, you know, what’s, is there an an unmet need that you desire from me?

And so, you know, right now postpartum, I’m 11 months postpartum. My sex drive and libido isn’t quite back online. And he’s really like, you know, do you think that it’s gonna come back online soon? Can we be more intentional about that? And so I’m like, here’s what I’m committed to. I’m committed to meeting that desire of yours once a once a week.

Is that, is that okay? And then he’s like, yeah, I feel like that’s great. And I was like, my request when I meet your on unmute. Your unmet desire is that you need to trust me that I’m gonna do it. It’s gonna happen once every seven days. I don’t know when it’s gonna happen. I don’t know what time what, but can, when I initiate, can you just say yes?

So can, can I take the lead? He’s like, yes. And I was like, my unmet need is that I need you to plan dates and I’m planning so much shit. Can you plan that for for me? And he’s like, great. And so I think that it’s just really important. Like we, we talk about sex a lot. We talk about sex a lot, which I was kind of annoyed about because I was like, I didn’t wanna be that couple that’s like, we gotta plan sex or my husband wants more sex and fucking postpartum is humbling because I never have not had a libido and to like consciously work on it back.

For me, it’s a real thing. And, and. For him that’s, he’s like, I just miss the deep intimacy together and that’s making love. So it’s been a journey. Been a and, and humbling because I don’t, I was like and sometimes we do

Emily Hirsh: schedule it. I’ll be honest. Yeah. I mean, this, this is a great conversation to bring up because I feel like not enough people are that upfront about it.

Right. But I mean, after three kids, I’ve fully, I feel like after five years, it’s still not back. Okay. But maybe I’m not putting as much effort into it as I could. It’s hard. I had ’em back to back and it’s just like, I don’t know. After that it’s, it’s challenging and it’s, I think it’s really hard, at least for my husband, it’s hard for him to really, fully like, understand the level.

It’s hard for me too. It’s not like I’m just like, oh, you know, I don’t want to, I, it’s like I want to want to,

Blair Jones: I want to want to, I miss being horny as fuck. Yeah. I miss wanting to ravish  my husband, or for my husband to ravish me. I miss that. I miss like being able to do it anytime a day, multiple times a day, whenever I want, wherever want I am.

I miss that. And so I was like, okay, great. Just like postpartum to build this body again into the what I, it’s like, okay, this is gonna take work in an area that was so natural for me.

Mm-hmm.

Blair Jones: And so I’m like, okay, what is that? And that just goes back to. Okay. Maybe this might be weird, but I’m, I’m gonna tell you my secret.

Are you ready for my secret? Help you? Yeah, I wanna know it. Okay. So I have an alter ego. Her name’s Millie Monroe and Millie is Marilyn. Marilyn Monroe’s little sister that nobody ever met ’cause her sister was so bright and shiny. Then she was like the fun party girl that just, you know, hopped on the back of like, wait, like Jamie Lynn Spear’s, Britney Spear’s little sister.

Like, you’re cool. By default Uhhuh. So. Millie Monroe is super sassy and she’s really funny and she’s super flirty and she’s kind of edgy and she can say things that not a lot of people can say and get away with it ’cause she flips her hair. She’s super funny. So I go, okay, so Millie Monroe is like my number one access point to my sex drive and to coming back into my sex life because it’s also an insecurity of mine.

Like I don’t really know how to get back there, right? And like what used to work with my husband doesn’t work. And then I’m like, ’cause we’re two different people, right? ’cause I’m completely different than who I was before. Kids know after kids anyway. So Millie like removes all of that because she’s a completely different energy.

And so I took her shopping and I went on the clearest rack of Nordstrom’s and I got these. I’m wearing them today. They’re right here. I should show everyone, these are Milli Monroe shoes and I got her these shoes. And so anytime that I’m feeling sluggish or like not feeling myself, I just fucking put these shoes on and I just, it like kind.

I activates this part of me and it kind of brings this sassy, flirty, 20-year-old vivacious Blair online. And it helps me to just bring in this playful energy that isn’t in my regular day-to-day life. Does that make sense? Yeah. So Millie comes on, and then I tell my husband that Millie’s here, I was like, Blair’s not here.

Millie’s here. And then he’ll playful out with me and she’s flirty and she kisses him. And it just kind of helps me turn up the turn on, or at least the turn on the, the algorithm of that sexual energy with my husband and I to invite newness, playfulness. That might be not as easily accessible for my, maybe my regular everyday today, Blair.

Emily Hirsh: I mean, that’s the thing, it breaks it up the everyday. I think that’s the biggest challenge with kids and business and all those things. It’s like every day can become the same.

Mm-hmm.

Emily Hirsh: So have you guys, I’m sure you have had seasons where you felt like you were just ships in the night passing each other.

Blair Jones: For sure.

Emily Hirsh: And how did you get out of that when you were in those seasons?

Blair Jones: We’ve always had mentors or coaches or people that support us in our relationship. I think we were three, we were dating for three months and we had hired a spiritual relationship mentor coach person. And so we’ve always had, and that has really helped because we, we not, we don’t wanna always be working through shit when it’s not good.

I wanna, I wanna turn up. I want, it’s already good, you know, like, I, I just. In sports, I, I, I’m like, it’s, what’s the difference between good and great? Like I’m already pretty good. I’m already pretty talented, but I wanna fucking be great. I wanna be unstoppable. So we would double down on goodness and how can we make it better?

Because that to me is where you start to expand the edges of marriage for us. And because when it’s already going good, and we’re in this flirty, beautiful space, and things are flowing and we’re good in a good season, that to me is the easiest time to start adding in maybe these things that. Our depletion when we’re out of that season.

Does that make sense?

Mm-hmm.

Blair Jones: So expanding our sex life or conversation or trying new things or, you know, that’s where Milli Monroe really came alive because it was when it was already fun, because I was kind of like, okay, I am sick of like just going on a date and going out to eat. Like let’s mix it up.

And then I was like, I really miss that part of Garrin my husband. That was, I call him the greatest showman. Like, he walked into a room and he knew that everyone was looking at him, and then he had this innate pleasure that he was me whenever, because my husband’s really, I think my husband’s really good looking and I often notice that people also notice that my husband’s good looking.

So he walks into your room and people look at him, and then he’s like, eye on the prize. And he’s like, and I was like, I want that. And he’s like, I forgot about that guy. And so that guy dresses different. And then I was like, and then I would meet him and that energy, and then, then came Millie. So. Yeah. I think that it’s to questions really help that, that’s why we lot like to have the question game.

’cause you can get really honest. And the question game also kind of, it relieves a little bit of pressure because the game is asking the questions that you really wanna ask. And so it’s kind of like one layer removed that you’re just playing the game, but then you can actually say some shit you wanna say.

So that’s been really helpful for us.

Emily Hirsh: It is like, it’s like the things that as you’re talking, I’m like, man, I know these things and I’m taking away some things that I should be doing. But it’s, it’s really like the consistent communication every day. The small interactions like that, that question game in the morning and doing that every single day, that’s just creating that connection that

mm-hmm.

Emily Hirsh: Consistent communication, changing it up.

Blair Jones: Mm-hmm.

Emily Hirsh: Like our soul does not wanna be doing the same thing every day.

Blair Jones: No. You

Emily Hirsh: know, and because you do the

Blair Jones: same thing every day in a lot of areas.

Emily Hirsh: Yeah. And, and having that, like, that’s, that’s I think especially like for me before kids, it’s what I miss the most is just.

Having fun. Having fun, just having fun, like having a day two together, which is so rare. We can go on a trip now. But yeah, like the, the different, I love the ego. I’m gonna have to alter ego. I have to come up with one. Yeah. Does Gerrin have one too, or just you?

Blair Jones: I, well, I’ve named his, and I call, it’s, I call it the Garrin Jones or The Greatest Showman.

They’re one and the same Garrin older. Yeah. And so the Greatest Showman is the guy that, I mean, if you, if you Google Garrin Jones, probably the Garrin Jones or the Greatest Showman will show up. That’s that part of him, because it’s this larger than fucking life anomaly human being that’s this, like, you can’t not look at him whether you like him or not.

Like you can’t not look. And he’s, there’s just something about him. And so I was like, I miss that guy. And Darren’s like, I miss that guy. And again, I think it’s just. Like all this shit that I said I would never fall prey to of like becoming a parent and then having two kids and then all of these stupid societal, you know, old ball and chain or, you know, you just wait.

I, I don’t like those things. And so I’m always like, we are gonna defy that. We’re not gonna be that. We’re gonna be the opposite of that. And now I’m aware that other people can fall into that category, but how do we know that that’s kind of the easy path and how do we pave a new one? And so once we’re cautious or conscious of that, then that’s where it’s like you said it, I know these things.

I should be doing these things. And, and so you can start to make these small incremental shifts to kind of shift out of it.

Emily Hirsh: Yeah. And you’re doing it also proactively. Mm-hmm. Like when things are good, we’re still working. Mm-hmm. To make sure we don’t, we know where we could fall.

Mm-hmm. In,

Emily Hirsh: in. Path. And so we’re proactively doing things.

I think that’s key too. Mm-hmm. That takes effort. It takes effort, it takes energy. I’m sitting here going, you know this and you know how to do it. You can do it for CrossFit, you can do it for business. Like should choose to do it

Blair Jones: more for your marriage. And that’s what the question games is. It’s really easy.

That one’s like very just simple, practical thing. Like yesterday’s question was, what’s one thing that you’re most p proud of in our marriage? And mine was hands down, we used to fight for three days. We would go silent t treatment with each

Emily Hirsh: other. I can see it like you two are both just like so powerful.

Blair Jones: Like, I will stonewall you. My, your face is so good. Like it’s so good. And now we can have the same intensity of a fight and we can be over it in an hour or 30 minutes. And we’re so proud of that because we’re so committed to the, we’re committed to being. The, the, we’re committed to the argument because to me, I think we’re, what is it like when there’s some saying, let me think of it, but it’s like when the rupture happens, there we go.

Then you can have the repair and sometimes the rupture needs to happen so you can repair better. And so we’re so committed to the rupture of like, what’s not serving, get it out. And how we fight is a lot different. And then the repair, it’s, and we’re so, I’m so proud of us because we get out the shit, we air the laundry, we get it out, the things not working, the things that are piling up and then we can repair and it’s just, it’s faster and it’s just, it’s so much better.

Emily Hirsh: That’s good because also that takes energy. ’cause I have found in seasons, like it’s easier to just be like, I don’t have the energy for that conversation.

Mm-hmm.

Emily Hirsh: And then it builds mm-hmm. Sometimes a lot of things. Mm-hmm. That now it’s hard to get it out. Mm-hmm. Because it takes the energy to have the argument.

Mm-hmm.

Blair Jones: For sure. When you’re

Emily Hirsh: in the moment of it and it can be easier to just start existing.

Blair Jones: Yeah. And we, our theme for this year is we really wanted to get back to being friends, like pals buddies, like, I missed my friend of like, inside jokes, funny things. And then also we have found, maybe you found this in your marriage, but like being a parent, there are so many things I wanna laugh at at my kid and I can’t, you know, like some of the things she says or how she’s, and, and we just.

She’ll walk out of the room and we just bust out laughing of how like you need to like, don’t keep it together. You can’t laugh at that. You know what I mean? Like, and so it just has lightened the mood and it’s taken the, it just makes it less heavy. And so we’re really intentional about being buddies and pals.

And a lot of that is like listening to music for when we were teenagers. I’ll turn on just like dirty trap music and you know, or I’ll like pull up music videos from back in the day. And so music is hell because it’s nostalgic and it’s funny and it’s like hearted or we’ll just watching like movies from back in the day or like, do you remember this movie?

And, and then he’ll bring up nostalgic movies and then we can watch ’em. And then I’m like, wait. And so I think that just really helped to support us in. Laughing more. I will say that this is, you know, two kids and seven years together. It’s just like forgot how much, how much I really like my husband. I really like him.

Of course I love him and it’s like, but I forgot how to like him and to be his friend.

Emily Hirsh: Yeah. The laughing and the play and the fun is so important. Mm-hmm. Well, I think you guys should do some more relationship stuff. Yes. It’s my favorite thing to talk about. Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, there’s a need for that too, of like, especially parents entrepreneurs and putting you, you don’t see it very often.

All of those things coming together and like you’re saying, it does take energy and it does take effort.

Blair Jones: Yeah, and I would say even like the, the state of now of remembering that a lot of people are choosing. Monogamy and how much they love it. And I saw this reel the other day about this girl who was like, people always comment that my husband’s a present dad.

And then she was like at the bottom. And she’s like, yeah, because I didn’t marry a loser. And I was like, that’s really valid. You know what I mean? And then I’m in my head, I was like, but why do a lot of people, and they’re in these unhappy marriages? And then I was like, why didn’t marry someone I didn’t like?

But how’d they get there? Nobody married someone they didn’t like, right? I don’t think. Right. Maybe they did. But a lot of people ma married someone that they deeply love. And then how do we get so far from that we forget and then we forget how to get back and then we forget how to get back and then we dunno how to, and then, you know, and then it’s an interesting dance.

Emily Hirsh: It really is. Mm-hmm. And such a great opportunity for growth. Mm-hmm. Individually and together. Mm-hmm. Probably the biggest.

Blair Jones: All right. I’ll keep, I’ll keep up with the relationship content.

Emily Hirsh: Yeah. I, I would love that. Yes. Yes. Like, I’m like, I’m, I’m inspired from all this, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well, anything you feel like we didn’t cover in this conversation that’s on your heart?

Blair Jones: No, that was a lot. I haven’t publicly spoken about any of that. I haven’t put any content about really the season I’m in or even just let’s you know. It’s the first time I publicly talked about. A lot of things. So thank you for asking. Well, I’m honored.

Emily Hirsh: I’m honored to have this conversation with you.

Thank you. You have so much wisdom and I I love your, your energy that, that’s like from when I first met you wake surfing. Yes. And, and yeah. Just, you guys have you and Garin both just like fun. We were just at that party in Garen to my daughter. I don’t think you saw it, but she was like, I’m gonna show you a magic trick.

And he was like, Ella, the best magician. Like, just incredible, like incredible energy that gave her his a hundred percent attention. Like love it. Sitting right in front of her. Yes. And she was in heaven. I love

it.

Blair Jones: I

Emily Hirsh: love

Blair Jones: it. There you go. That’s us. That’s the, the greatest. The

Emily Hirsh: greatest show. The greatest.

Showman. Showman right there. You gotta see it first. I got see it. I know exactly what you’re talking about.

Blair Jones: Mm-hmm.

Emily Hirsh: Cannot look. So if people do wanna. Explore more of your content even in this season, it sounds like your Instagram. Yeah. That’s what I follow and love your content on. Yep. So maybe astrology ratings, but mm-hmm.

Yeah. Where, where should people go? We’ll link to it, but

Blair Jones: yeah, Blair dot, Rachel dot Jones is my Instagram and then blair rachel jones.com is my website and that’s all the, our relationship course to and astrology reading are. Yeah. The easiest place is always Instagram and I can send you my appointment schedule because I love to serve, not because I wanna commoditize.

And so it’s, yeah, it’s, it’s been a real honor in this season and I would say it’s, it’s the greatest joy in remembering what it’s like to be in service for nothing other than being enjoyment of being in service to serve another and also to just to be able to like allowing people to let me in to be there with them in their season and I’ve been able to do that through astrology and then macros, like people just like I, it is the weirdest combination of people just like, can, I don’t even know where to start, you know? I used to be so fit and healthy and, and where do I start and how do I look this up? And, and an age where everything’s accessible and you every, there’s a bazillion things out there.

It’s not that we’re under informed or over informed. So which one works for you?

Emily Hirsh: True. Yeah. We didn’t even talk about macros. I

Blair Jones: know,

Emily Hirsh: right? Do you track yours regularly?

Blair Jones: Obsessed. It’s so fun. You do? It’s

Emily Hirsh: a game. Yeah,

Blair Jones: it’s a game.

Emily Hirsh: Yeah. But I don’t, I don’t track it every day, but I ha I do to get a baseline.

Yeah. Yeah. I love it. It’s a fun game. It’s definitely, it can, for me. It can be dangerous to like, I can get a little obsessive with the tracking. Gotta be careful. Yeah.

Blair Jones: Yeah. And then some days it’s just like, you know, I’m, I’m guessing where I am in my head. Yeah. Right. It’s,

Emily Hirsh: it’s a ebb and a flow. Well, I will follow that content.

Thank you so much. This was so fun. Thanks.

Blair Jones: Same.