In today’s episode, I’m joined by someone who has had one of the most profound impacts on both my life and business over the last few years—Samson Odusanya, an incredibly talented Somatic Guide and Breathwork Facilitator.

Samson’s journey is one of resilience, transformation, and deep personal growth.

We talk about everything from his early struggles and pivotal moments in life to his discovery of breathwork, somatic practices, and what it truly means to embody presence.

This conversation left me reflecting deeply on my own journey, and I know it’ll do the same for you.

Samson Odusanya is a husband, father, and multi-disciplinary guide with a mission of assisting people in experiencing the truth of who they are. Samson is a wellness specialist, health and fitness coach, and breathwork facilitator. He supports people in connecting to their breath, building their bodies, and freeing their minds. Find him on Instagram @samsons_strength

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Emily Hirsh:

All right. We are live. I am so excited to have you on the podcast.

Samson:

It’s nice to be here.

Emily Hirsh:

Honestly honored. You have definitely been a single person who has had one of the greatest impacts on me in the last few years. Yeah. I think anyone who’s listening to my podcast is probably heard your name. Or gone to your Instagram and followed you after I’ve talked about you. Yeah. So I thought, let’s start a little bit with with you and your and your story and finding what you do today.

Emily Hirsh:

I know you’ve shared some of it in sessions and, experiences that you’ve hosted for me, but yeah, let’s start there.

Samson:

Okay. Where is it? Yeah. Where are you going to start? Stick a spot.

Emily Hirsh:

Start with your story of, like, your hold on. Okay. All right. Start with your story. You were in a a sales job. Do I get that right? Okay. Career.

Samson:

So, yeah. Direct sales. So, I mean, just to create more context of what led me there. So I was born in London. Parents moved to the States when I was very young. And shortly after they separated. Which, you know, left an imprint on me. And then shortly after that, I moved to Nigeria with my grandmother.

Samson:

From what I understand, also, my mom was able to essentially, like, get back on her feet. And then I moved back to the States. New York and then Philly, where I grew up sixteen years of my life. So amongst all of that, you know what I would.

Samson:

Say or consider my experience was as it relates to my self image was rooted in limitation, self rejection and self loathing. Very low confidence, low self esteem. Shame a lot of that. And looking back I can I could identify that’s what it was. While still having like small doses and little moments of the glimpses of, you know, freedom and love and something greater than me that’s like leading me.

Samson:

But majority of what drove a lot of my actions. It was the latter, right? And you know, how I got into the direct sales job is, senior year of high school or junior year when I was applying to colleges and they needed certain information, I realized that I was undocumented. So and that was shortly after witnessing my mom just get deported in two thousand five.

Samson:

So, I mean, for those who never experienced that, any form of separation from your parents, right. Involuntary causes. Yeah. Fragmentation. Not just in you, but, you know, in our familial structure. So that was a really tough time for our family. But then to find out that I was going through this similar situation, maybe even more of a recluse.

Samson:

Now, I started with the hydroplaned side because there was a looming fear that the same thing that happened to my mom would happen to me. So I didn’t really feel safe being here. I didn’t know who was who. But at the same time, being in those conditions, I had to figure it out, right? There’s no excuses to be made.

Samson:

You know, my stepdad had to now work six, sometimes seven days a week at three siblings younger than me. That, you know, I pretty much became responsible for emotionally and mentally in some in some regards financially. They were young. And I’ve always been that individual for my family. I so yeah, I still am. I have an older brother, but I feel like I’m the older brother.

Samson:

And I’m proud to be that now. Before it was a, it was a role entitled that I can’t be how I used to, validate myself. So, you know, having to figure it out. I remember, like, I had to I, I taught myself skills, and I made myself a valuable, self taught graphic design just to make money.

Samson:

I remember working at a deli and paid under the table price to make money. Deejay, bartended. Used to make money. I even modeled and, Yeah, I had some pretty big contracts doing that. And it’s funny. On the set of my biggest contract, I remember being there. And again, this is the glimpses or that God, which is like the column of the signs that something didn’t feel right.

Samson:

Like I was the I was the, the the Alister on, you know, amongst the, the cast or the other group of people who’ve gotten the job as well. I think I might have gotten the biggest check on there, and yet I still felt empty. I think a part of that was because it was something that I had to do.

Samson:

That’s something that I wanted to do. It was also something that I was using to essentially mask my insecurities. I mean, you’re a model, right? You get the attention. You’re everywhere. You’re famous. And I remember being on set and I’m like, nah, this is not it, right? And I was still yet grateful for the financial compensation of that.

Samson:

And, you know, after a while, you know, that stuff starts to get old and y starts to get old is. So I would see around maybe a few years after my mom had gotten deported, eighteen or ninenteen is when I would I would have what I would consider, what’s called, The Awakening. And it’s not so much of an awakening as we know it.

Samson:

Now, for me, I relate to it as, remembering and for me, that happened by way of my mom’s presence not being there because she was such a matriarch and everything went her way. There were certain things I could have questioned when she was there, or certain things that and ask, or certain things I could have really explored.

Samson:

So the lack of her being there gave me the freedom to start to go down certain rabbit hole and rabbit holes and ask, you know, different questions that I normally wouldn’t have asked, right? Who am I? Why am I here? What’s my purpose? And that started to pull certain material, certain people, certain mentors, certain paradigm shifts. Certain, belief systems, certain traditions.

Samson:

To me, and by nature, I’m a researcher, I love exploring, I love learning. I love going down many different rabbit holes. Now I’m better at them. I don’t get swallowed up.

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Samson:

But before, that was, like, a way for me to learn. But, you know, looking back, the learning wasn’t just like for me. It was for me to really get an understanding of what essentially wasn’t taught to me and taught to us. Right. But it was for me at that moment. So I started to realize that the world that I was in and I grew up in was not what it appeared to be.

Samson:

For me was for a spiritually, I was born and raised in a church, kind of that Pentecostal slash Baptist in a way. But we were a bit unorthodox as well. And fortunate enough for me, like some of the practices and cultural traditions of the church that I was in.

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Samson:

Is not far removed from what you know, certain indigenous and ancestral practices are like, we burn candles in the church, right? We, we we had incense in the church. You can wear shoes in our church. We practice watching washing at the feet ritual. There were new moon services. Like, no Orthodox church would do that, right? Even when I was born, this is just a tradition of the church where you were appointed, like, a prophet or prophetess.

Samson:

And in some circles that would be considered like a psychic. See her. Right. And they’ll meditate on you on your behalf for about seven days. And they change your name to. That’s how I received my name. So I was brought up in, in these customs. But the, the politics of it is what did it make sense to me?

Samson:

And I started to question certain things and I’m like, this doesn’t seem right. Right. So just having the freedom to now explore and ask certain questions that normally wouldn’t be asked is what open me up to different, schools of thought. And as I was doing that, I start to notice, like what I was interested in start to change.

Samson:

So shortly after, honestly, like, I became just interested in March, I think, because I remember one night, I think it was one of the busiest times that we had, or maybe was a slow night. I, I was sitting at the bar and it felt like time was slowing down, and I just watched. And I remember saying to myself, you know, I’m participating and helping people escape from their life.

Emily Hirsh:

Wow.

Samson:

And just like that, and I’ve only been like, drug like three times ever in my life. Is twenty twenty fourth birthday. One time when I was up, my best friend and there’s one other time I remember the three time. Just because what in there made sense to me why people want to feel that way, and then to just also never made sense to me.

Samson:

For me to lose the faculties. So if I’m losing myself and what’s controlling that? So again, it’s not the same. Anybody that does this was just my choice. So I was there I think like time slowed down. I’m like oh wow okay. And I think it was because of just the evolution I was experiencing spiritually. And you know, one thing that was going well for me after high school was I kept the physicality as far as my, physical health going because, you know, I played football.

Samson:

But even that I loved was in escape. I was using my training or my body to escape myself. So as I went deeper into, you know, my practice, deeper into studying, obviously, I feel like it’s like following a yellow brick road or following the breadcrumbs that are there. Once you pick up a breadcrumb, it leads you to the next.

Samson:

And, as I did that, oh yeah. So obviously the jobs that I had were, were very they were like sustainable. They weren’t they weren’t something that I can really count on. So I fake my recipe.

Emily Hirsh:

Oh, I did that to.

Samson:

Make the resume. Yeah. The only identification I had during this time was my school. Like my high school ID. All right. So I think my resonate and I apply for a bunch of jobs, right. And I just I’ll be I’ll be honest. Right. And the trick was to use, like businesses that had closed down because you could have called them smart.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah.

Samson:

So I got a call back from a hospital, and I remember being on the interview with them and, like, looking at the supervisor, he’s looking at me, and he’s like.

Samson:

Oh, yeah, I remember this place, and I’ve seen. Right. He’s like, listen, you know, based on what I see here, you’re you’re not, like, qualified for the job. We we need and what you for. And this is what he said, this is again the God we can talk talking about. He said, well, there’s something about you that makes me want to hire you.

Samson:

So you got the job and I remember walking home during that day like, shock. I was confused, like, this guy doesn’t know me from mechanic game. I just pretty much fake.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah, lied on my resume.

Samson:

And then he was like, oh yeah, how are you? So for me, that was again another sign that something bigger than me are greater than me, or at least is what I made me and was guiding me. So, I ended up working at the hospital for about seven years. I started off as a patient here. And I’m I’m sharing context because there’s so many different parts that for me, for working and being with people, the capacity I am with today.

Samson:

So my first job at the hospital was a patient center, and I would sit with people coming off of drug withdrawal, alcohol withdrawal, you know, elders who were probably like, a threat to themselves. So they had to be restrained. I pretty much was there to make sure that they would cause any harm to anybody else or themselves.

Samson:

So immediately I saw a different side of humanity that I wasn’t exposed to. I’m talking about, like, rage. Like if you ever have, if anyone has ever experienced anybody going through alcohol withdrawal, it is one of the most intense withdrawal experiences ever. And that fact don’t quote me on this, but it’s something I’ve heard. I’ll have to research it again.

Samson:

But to my understanding, I believe alcohol, which was the only way for me to die from wow. Because, I mean, it’s that intense and like, it literally look like people coming off, which are like they were possessed by something, right? So, you know, I’m young and I’m watching all of this, right? I’m like, I don’t know how I’m here, but whatever, we’ll figure it out.

Samson:

And yeah, just so many different people going through that. And then, there was an opportunity to, move to the audience or transport and I got my experience with that and then transport, like, and if I’m, if I’m working somewhere, I’m going to work my ass off. I work my ass off there like I remember. Yeah. Any hours that was available, like I would, I would take it.

Samson:

I remember, you know, sometimes I work literally sometimes seven a.m. in the morning to eleven p.m. at night. Shoot over to the bar because it was an after hours, get there by like eleven, almost like twelve, work till four a.m. and do it again.

Emily Hirsh:

Wow.

Samson:

But I have to figure it out, right?

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah.

Samson:

You and I was lucky or blessed to be in a position. And, you know, if you’ve ever been in the position that I was in, like, you think like, that job is the last one you’re going to have, so you don’t to lose it. So I, I upgrade to be a transport. And this was another like shift in my story because part of my job description was the transport.

Samson:

This is part of the work.

Emily Hirsh:

I didn’t know any of this. Samson:. Well.

Samson:

Here you go. So at  or , I. I get the call and I was like, okay, I, I remember not vividly, but I remember like, I’m feeling it right now and we all have phones, right? Or we have a pager. We have some of us. It depends that it was like a team of three or four of us, and two of us or one of us carry the phone.

Samson:

And I remember being with my partner. He got the phone. He’s like, okay, you got to go take a bite out to the more, he said, but can you handle it? I was like, sure. And I was like, yeah. So we went. Yeah, to the room. The body’s already in the back. So we go to. The more we go, we have to go get the gurney.

Samson:

We go up to the room and I get to the room, and the room is like, hold. And all I see is the body there. Just the lifeless anatomy. And yeah, we pull the body to the gurney of. Great. And, we’re walking down the hall and I’m walking down the hall, like with the nurses and the doctors, like, wonder, like, y’all see this shit and nobody’s going to like, because it’s normal to them.

Samson:

But this is the first time for me, and I’m experiencing this. So we go into the service elevator, and I’m here now with this lifeless body. And in that moment. I wasn’t on anything. I wasn’t on any type of, consciousness inducing, agents. I wasn’t nothing, but I was so sober because in that moment I realized, holy shit.

Samson:

Like, this is what people talk about, what they say. Like, at any moment it can be gone. And there was something about that that brought, like, a deeper awareness to my experience. Transport the body into the morgue. And that I remember going on that day not being the same. And shortly after that, because I was physically active, that evolved.

Samson:

Now my intention to my wife, for a while, I was physically active for something more meaningful, because at first I was physically active from insecurity, right as I was, you know, practicing, you know, at least with my, version of spirituality was by way of system or tradition. Like that was feeding the reasons for why I was doing things in my life.

Samson:

So being in the hospital environment, you come to realize it’s a world that one. Most people have no idea what’s going on inside of me and what I witnessed was many people essentially paying the price in the earlier years of their life, and spending the last years of your life recouping from the mistakes they made in the first years of your life.

Samson:

And I remember making a decision saying that I did not want to be the brother, the dad, the the husband, the friend who was doing the same exact thing. I have seen every age group. I’ve had to carry a six month old baby down to the morgue. That’s probably the, probably the roughest day in my  year career.

Samson:

But.

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Samson:

And yeah, so, so I think the oldest was like either ninety nine or one hundred one, so. And everything in between. So I’ve seen various ages of so many different faces of death. And to know that sixty to seventy percent of the reasons why people were there were preventable. I was like, well, let me let me get serious about my health in a real way.

Samson:

So that’s when I really start to get serious about my nutrition, you know, kind of, you know, condense this a bit. You know, everything that’s very trendy today or people were vocal about, like being vegan or plant based or carnivore, all that stuff. Like I had my season with that. Like I was vegan for two and a half years.

Samson:

I was like raw vegan for six months, and I introduced meat again. I had my like, I was, I was this close to being like, herbalist.

Emily Hirsh:

I can actually yeah, I can see it.

Samson:

I think it’s I think I’m actually going to return to that. Yeah. Like I would invest like hundreds of dollars every month.

Emily Hirsh:

Did you know I did that to.

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Really? Yeah.

Samson:

You know, that.

Emily Hirsh:

I would spend so much money on herbs. I go to herbs shops.

Samson:

Guy amongst my group of friends that was spending three hundred dollars every trip. My Whole Foods.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah, yeah, I was like ninetee years old in San Diego, buying five hundred dollars of herbs, making tinctures.

Samson:

And I was that was that nineteen, twenty, twenty one, two year old that was invested in this because my paradigm was already shifting, based what I was based on, what I was studying and material that I was reading. So,

Samson:

At that point now, I moved from Orly to now Air Tech and my job now. So VR tech is pretty much what an EMT is, right? Similar training, except we’re not we’re not out in, you know, the ambulances. Right. But close and I say this with like like love. I have seen everything that you probably would not wish on another person.

Samson:

And. I think through my own personal work, what I realized was how dumb I made myself to it, you know? And.

Samson:

What’s what’s coming up for me right now in that world, like doctors and nurses and EMTs and firefighters or even just, soldiers or the military. You can’t perform your job if you don’t know yourself.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

Because it’ll take you out. There’s so much it but I think simultaneously I didn’t know it was prepping for the depth of pain, sorrow, loss and grief that I was going to have to process within myself and hold within myself and be held in and then be it for other people. I always say part of what made me and it made me me was my personal, I would say opening or initiation to like the nature of death, right?

Samson:

Because I’ve been so up close with it many different times. I’m talking about having a conversation with somebody and trade offs, and in the next five to ten minutes doing CPR, then then you go, wow, like many moments like that, like I’m, I’m checking you in, talking about your day, asking you why you’re there, how, you know, it was kind of rough.

Samson:

You know, I had what was not the best and just this headache that I had brought me in. So I just want to come check it out. And all of a sudden, now, no CPR on the chest and you’re like, wow. And it’s again, it’s one of the most sobering things, but it’s one of the most fleeting things that I never really got a chance in the moment to feel, because it was so fast.

Samson:

But one thing that I did notice over and over and over again, this is where I can say with the utmost comfort, confirmation and confidence is that there is something. Call it a spirit and the soul or spirit and soul or spirit or soul or whatever it is that you want to relate to. It has that in the way.

Samson:

It’s the physical body. Without it, the physical body is nothing. I’ve watched it many times leave and it literally comes. It literally comes after the final breath. So there’s that thing that’s animating the body, but it’s powered by the breath.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

And the moment the person takes their final breath.

Samson:

You just you feel it leave. Yeah I saw it so many times and I had no idea that all of that was prepping me for the work day.

Emily Hirsh:

Right.

Samson:

Even right now I’m realizing it that all of that was preparation for the work that I was doing and why it’s so important for me to speak to this as far as death is, because I think it’s something that we’ve I think justifiably, also, conveniently, as a society, modern society have learned to kind of push away, right. Deny.

Samson:

In fact, and ancient cultures didn’t treat death and that like they, they held not on to it, but they held it with reverence because it was the very thing that fed life. Like to know that something good, like, has an expiration date, at least in the realm that you’re experiencing it, or in the version that you’re experiencing it, or the season, a cycle that you’re experiencing, it brings about the present to be more engaged with life.

Samson:

And that’s what death did for me every single time. It pulled me closer to being more present with the people that I love being there when I’m talking to somebody. That’s why I like some of the most common feedback that I get is like, when I’m with somebody that you’re like, Samson:, you’re they’re like, I look at you because again, I’ve seen it so many times.

Samson:

I’ve seen it, I’m talking to you, and then you’re gone, all right? And without death, we won’t appreciate life. And what I’ve learned is that those that resist death, they’re also resisting life.

Emily Hirsh:

You.

Samson:

Can’t live your life if you’re afraid of dying, right? So the fear of death is also the fear of living. But I think it’s tied to thinking that death is the end.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

What I watched on the hospital bed. And every time is that when that energy leaves the individual, it’s just leaving the body. It’s going somewhere else. So it’s transforming. It’s going beyond the form of the body and animated into a different form that essentially we were not aware of, at least from, from from where we are right now.

Samson:

So the death, I would say, ushered me into transformation in a very deep way. Because if I look over my life, it’s been nothing but that. I feel like the essence of my life. I can’t speak for anybody else’s but the essence of my life. And like my reason for being and what I’m here to offer has been the gift of transformation, which can only happen by dying over and over and over and over again.

Samson:

Right? So, you know, sometimes, you know, people may think that of themself, I sound like a defeatist or, but it’s like I celebrate that. Maybe it’s graduation. That’s how I see it. So all of this really catalyzed me and prepared me to, I would say, begin to make I recognize that there was something else within me that didn’t make sense to the rest of the world.

Samson:

So while that was happening, it’s like, you know, as I was pulling away from like the bartending and eventually they pulled away from partying and deejaying and really gave attention to, like, what I was focused on again, I started to realize that, yeah, everything around around me didn’t really appear to be what it was. I started to get really just interested in the normal mundane versus the mundane things like the things that I was doing, which was like partying and all that stuff, like, and doing what I would do with my friends.

Samson:

And what started to happen was I noticed I had swung too far to one side. Right. Got to. Yeah. I began to lofty and abstract, and I was really like, grounded. So, I forgot how, but, oh. This is actually. How so? Because I was modeling, I had to read that. Or, update my portfolio.

Samson:

So I go on Facebook, I go to these sites to try to find a photographer to do so. And I’m looking and I found one. And there was, you know, there’s this guy, on her, on her page who, like, he was in shape. And in my insecure days, I normally would project my insecurities on somebody that was in shape and say that they were using something, right?

Samson:

Just because I wasn’t. I wasn’t doing the work, but this guy didn’t look like he was using anything. So maybe really interested in what he was doing. So I go to his page and he just so happened to be a part of the wrestling company that I later joined. But here’s the caveat again another God wake. I told you that my parents separated, right?

Samson:

So I didn’t visit my dad again until the summer of fifth grade, where I went to go visit him in California, and he was a part of this thing to fix the company. So at ten years old, the seed was planted. But when I saw it again when I was twenty three, right. Thirteen years later, ten years later, maybe it was the very thing that created a sense of safety through being exposed to it a decade earlier.

Samson:

So it can be interesting. Again, I’m a firm believer that everything that’s happening is happening and is being orchestrated in a way that’s leading you to where you need to be again. So I now start to watch this guy for a two and a half years. And yeah, I did end up going going on with that photographer because her price, which is like, nope.

Samson:

But and thank you for lead me to him and Facebook, you know, would recommend friends or suggest friends. And he was always with this this this girl. Right. They would always lead workouts to get on the beach in Santa Monica while I’m still working at the hospital. Sixteen, eighteen, twenty to twenty hour shifts. It looked like they were having a blast, right?

Samson:

Three hundred, four hundred people on the beach. Everyone’s getting in shape. Everyone’s excited that you’re happy. But what I could see via Facebook and working in the hospital is start to get pulled, right. There’s only so little, so much you can’t take on emotionally without processing the environment of what that is, without getting to a point where it’s like, okay, this is getting really heavy.

Samson:

I mean, in the culture, there’s like, everybody does.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah.

Samson:

I mean, I mean, and feeling like people on Saturdays like certain all of you’re drinking ten a.m. in the morning, right. For every is that you’re drinking. You’re looking for a reason to drink. Right? A sporting event in Philly is a big sports town. Everything is drinking right. And and going to the bars and stuff. And for us that we would go to a club and party and stuff, but that was getting oh so what I saw was them and they looked purposeful and I wanted something like that.

Samson:

Like I’ve always had like the the interest to serve people, to help people sort of impact people. Yeah, I was doing it in a way, the hospital, but that was getting old. So I was watching them and I watched for two and half years. And the girl he was with all the time, I think, yeah, I requested her and then she DMZ immediately.

Samson:

Welcome to my world. You’re free to join me whenever you’re ready. And I was like, oh, cool. She wasn’t like pushy or anything like that. Fast or it that’s not my way.

Emily Hirsh:

What? I didn’t know this. Okay.

Samson:

Yeah.

Emily Hirsh:

That story gets okay. Yeah.

Samson:

That’s that’s, my wife that I have, you know, two beautiful girls with. So again, like, I look for my life and I realized everything is leading me to where I need to be. So after two and a half years, I watched. They seem very real. I would watch as they would start watching, literally wake up at three in the morning and run to the gym.

Samson:

It was very motivational, like, you know, because he his story was he grew up in foster care, being beat. His mom died when he was nine. So I’m watching this guy to share his story in a way that was horrible but real. And also like using it to feel him. So again, I’m like, hey, he looked like me.

Samson:

So I’m like, should I? I really don’t have anybody in my circle that’s doing anything like that. And so he became like, Facebook was like my escape. But watching that, right? I would work, when the sun wasn’t up. Then I go home when the sun set, like, set up, send out some send out. And I would be excited to look at Facebook to see what they were up to.

Samson:

So I finally decided to join them and to my advantage. It was the environment that trained me and leadership that trained me even more in working with people that put me in positions to be like, lean into my discomfort. That helped me work on my speaking skills, that helped me deal with rejection, that helped me build things from scratch.

Samson:

Like, I mean, we built communities like the community that was the great community that I was part of, was like ten to twelve thousand people. And I was able to borrow the energy of that, you know, go to the hub in California to come back to Philadelphia. And like, we, we I started work up with just myself and my cousin, and rain, snow, sleet or shine.

Samson:

And he would show up and eventually we would grow. We grew that to over one hundred people, like, in person, consistently like we were doing the deal. So it showed me how to like, lead in a way, not to have followers, but to create leaders. And, you know, being in that for over a decade. Again, I would feel and one of the things that I recognize that I have the ability to do is kind of sense patterns.

Samson:

And I will see that things, certain things are just unsustainable. Like, this is not going to go on for too long, right? I would see I learned how I learned in that environment how to find what it is that I truly value and not just find my own voice, but begin to plant the seeds for how I lead and do things.

Samson:

I didn’t have the confidence in myself to follow through on that, even though I saw there were some kinks in certain things, even though I saw there was going to be things that evolved and needed to be innovated when it came to working with people. But I didn’t have confidence in my voice to speak to that right. It was just happening here and eventually, you know, the beautiful thing about the company that I was part of, we prioritized personal growth.

Samson:

Right? Personal development. So, I mean, going from where I was at, like still working at the hospital eventually part time, you know, doing my own thing. It’s now a community that valued personal growth. Yeah. I was reading every book and, overexaggerate, when I say every book, but most books in the personal development space that are notable, a lot of books in the spiritual space that are notable.

Samson:

And I’m going to speak to that, by the way, because we talk about personal development, spiritual space. Okay. Kind of. Yeah. We’ll get back to that. I think the coaches and the mentors and what I started realize through pattern recognition was that even though I would implement some of the mindset shifts and hacks and personal growth tools that I had learned, there was something still deep within me that would find a way to limit me breaking through the pattern that I was repeating.

Samson:

So this happened financially. This had happened to me, and this would happen just personally. So it’s been almost nine years now. Yeah, it’s about I think it’s nine years. I get invited to a breathwork session by a good friend whose brother in law was leading, and we were in there. We were in California at the time, and I were going to open up Curious by nature.

Samson:

So I already been curious this whole entire time. So I’m like, yep, give me more because I’m hungry again. Transformation is my thing. So whatever’s going to support me, all this in this process and I remember, Jesse, what’s his name? Jesse gross. He was he was prepping us. Right. We’re in a yoga studio, so everyone was down and back.

Samson:

I think it was like  to  people and went away. Okay, cool. So he’s teaching us the breathing part. We need to do. So we begin to begin breathing. And you’ve been in the session with me. So you kind of recall what happened. So you experience the sensations that come as an effect of breathing in a specific way.

Samson:

And I start to experience things that I’ve never experienced before, at least at that time in my life, which is a re introduction to my emotional self or my emotions, especially as a man, that I found a way to push away. Like being moved into tears in a big way, getting visuals and visions that. Weren’t just foreign to me at the time, but I knew something greater was moving because to other people, experience the same vision as I did.

Samson:

And it was crazy. So I’m like, there’s something bigger and deeper here. And I remember it coming up. I had that experience. I think I was the last one to come up gasping for air. And I look around, people are already up and the experience and I say, what was that?

Emily Hirsh:

That was pretty much my first breath or session to moment.

Samson:

Because in that moment I felt so grounded, so clear. And I think I was also taken aback by how grounded and clear I was because of. The chaos I had normalized living. So it was very strange that there was no chaos or struggle or fight in that moment.

Speaker 

Samson:

So because of that session being so powerful for me, it became a practice that I started to incorporate. I started to realize how powerful the breath was and is to my wellbeing and my space. But nothing, you know, like a big or deep quiet. Right. And then, you know, when half comes to the scene. Right. So, you know, with half isn’t really doing anything novel or new, but when pause is bringing or what I feel has brought, you know, what many might consider supernatural to a specific few, he brought the inclusivity of that to everybody.

Samson:

You know, he’s crazy. Like, you know, he he injected himself with neurotoxin and stopped it, right, because of his ability to connect with himself. And that way, you know, he is right. He was able to, I think he swam under, you know, some very cold condition, like in the Arctic. I think he lost, like, his eyesight for a bit.

Samson:

And then by way of connecting to himself, he found in the end, like not being able to see he found his way out. Right? So, I mean, these what would some consider on the outside, very novel supernatural mystical experiences we’re starting to see that is available to everybody by way of the breath. Right. Also other mediums, but just the breath that is very, is very unique to everybody.

Samson:

Everybody breathes right. So he was like a reminder. And we now we’re in San Diego. At the time we had our first daughter and, you know, incredible experience, right? Was our very first center. You know, I’m grateful for my life that she went that route. I was able to support her in that. So there was like, there was like a period of obviously, like, pausing in our life to be present with the baby.

Samson:

We had help and, and stuff. So about three months after that, I began like, now focusing on just filling my own cup because I received, advice from a good friend, my best friend who was a dad, and I was like, bro, let me know how I can prepare for being a father. He’s like, listen, he said, work on yourself twice as much so you can have the capacity to be present and take care of your family.

Samson:

So for me, what that looked like was now getting up at four a.m., going to the F forty five around the quarter from my house at four fifteen, getting my workout in and getting my practice in, filling my cup. And then obviously I’m now forward to be there for my family. So I’m doing this over and over and over again, I think for like, what, a few months?

Samson:

And then one of the trainers tell was like, I think he was like invested in, you know, my presence online and how I was supporting people like, I’m supporting people need to know that nutrition and fitness and leadership is like, I would invite you to this leadership retreat. So I was like, okay, so it was fully paid for.

Samson:

It was, it wasn’t remote, it was local, but and wars pay for everything was paid for. It was like put on by like Lululemon and other big names got free gear. And I’m sitting there and I’m like, why am I here? Right? And this was a reoccurring question in my life, like, why me? Like, sometimes I’ve had moments where I prayed, I cried like, why did you give me this has as if because the running narrative that I wasn’t enough to have what I had.

Samson:

But I felt like I felt too much for this world and not enough for God. So I was always like, like oscillating between this, the illusion or these beliefs of a reoccurring question was like, why me? Because I was ran by a lot of selfdoubt. So I asked, why am I here? Because I’m going to leave. Yeah, the UFC fighters there.

Emily Hirsh:

Wow.

Samson:

We had yeah, people who were doing big things in the world. Again, this is how I saw myself right? And he was like, yeah, I have a dream because I’m inspired by how you need and how you show up. And that’s not the first time I’ve God that I’ve always questioned it. When I got some there. And the first night comes breathwork and I was like, oh, and this was now maybe three, four years later.

Samson:

At this point, it wasn’t as a consistent practice as it was. Right? So we do breathwork the first night and the instructor was trained by it with half like and yeah, I think he’s met with half eventually, but he was trained by somebody that was very close to what. And women big in the breathwork space. So we need a Windhorst Wim Hof style breathing.

Samson:

And this was like I think now like six years ago. Yeah. We’re doing the breath holes and followed by ice baths. So this is before.

Emily Hirsh:

This is like ahead of the times. Yeah. Even breathwork six years ago I feel like was not really heard of.

Samson:

This is way before it became like a thing that and I’m happy to think. Right, right, right. I’m happy the tools are available. I mean, sometimes we overdo it, right? So again, the same exact thing I experienced, years prior, right in the studio saying about I go, like, I remember this. Oh, okay. So again, so one thing I like about the experience, I jump into ice baths.

Samson:

First time for me two minutes in the ice baths and I’m like, yo, this is crazy, right? And and yeah, this is when it was new to the scene. So I was like, I think I still have the video. Oh, so, so again, this is now a seed planted. And then months later, I remember I told myself I want to stay in contact with this individual, the instructor, because for me, I really go, this is great.

Samson:

For me, this is beneficial for me. I want to introduce this to the leaders that I work with, that I’m supporting, and I lead with right.

Speaker 

Samson:

That we ended up doing that. We had like, you know, rev session, if I have a house with a call that some of our team members with, with, you know, the ice baths, they’re and again, the, their god like the, the instructor as you know where we’re standing communication I take like a breath of what I want.

Samson:

Of course that goes in intensive like a four week intensive just to get, you know, more knowledgeable in the rest of my own personal practice. And, you know, he looks at me, he’s like.

Speaker 

Listen,

Samson:

I really think this can be useful for you, in what you do, and I also think, like, you could be of value to our community. So, like, it was like an exchange again, he saw in me what I did see. And he became a mentor and, you know, becoming trained in breath and what I’m grateful for recently.

Samson:

So shots I recently saw that our breath collective because they brought me up and, trend in this style. But they brought me up in a holistic. Foundational view of breath, which has helped me so much because I’m not me personally. I don’t like being boxed in. You can’t box me, right? But it also does not box other people.

Samson:

It which is help me be able to. Utilize my intuitive abilities to use this tool to meet somebody where they’re at, because I can’t tell somebody. Use one style of breathing for a situation that they don’t need it, that that would be just honoring what they need. So I, I’m fortunate enough to be brought up in this because I was trained in the holistic understanding of what the breath is.

Samson:

And then from that, I can now start to build and create different styles of breathing, right. That can help the individual and what they need and their blueprint. Right. And so that’s how you know, my journey with the breath like continued, but it became something that I now offer people. And again, what breadcrumb leads to the next. Because with breath I now tap into a more visceral, grounded somatic relationship with myself as it relates to like my physical experience, not so much the mental experience.

Samson:

The more violence up experience or bottoms up approach. It led me now to, I would say, what was next to my journey, which was the plants, the plant allies. And my journey with the plants started when we went to, a silent meditation retreat. In twenty forteen, going into the New year Gregorian calendar, new year of twenty fifteen, so we were in.

Samson:

We would go to LA to if you’re familiar with Michael, with our back with is, spiritual. It’s not a church, but congregation can call it a Gothic. Europe put it together this side of the church using the call. And I went and. Yeah, which is incredible, by the way, and the closing ceremony of that, he, he invited, third generation catcher catch my thinking shaman to close it.

Samson:

And for me, again, being brought up in the church that I was brought up in right at the very, you know, I’ve orthodox things and rituals happen with do again. It’s like seeing what was familiar. I’m like, okay, I had a drum out, right. He he’s he’s using he’s using incense. He’s chanting right. So he immediately brought my attention to him.

Samson:

And I think what it was to was like he how he held this very grounded grandfather energy that I didn’t know I needed that, but it wasn’t any of the other stuff. It was the moment he started to play the drum on people. What? I don’t know what it was back then. I know what it is now.

Samson:

That woke up something in me. Take it. Woke up something very deep and familiar in my cells. And looking back, it was the very nature of the role that he’s playing that I was like, yeah, but again, I couldn’t see it, even though I had many people that would tell me it might be here if I what, I would find a logical reason to deny it, because to me.

Samson:

That I was only perceiving it based on what my eyes saw. But I wasn’t listening based off of what and how it was going to be expressed in my way. Right? So as he was playing this job, something woke up in me. And there’s something about me that pull, pull me to. And just like I want to work with Reese separately, I want to work with him.

Samson:

So I went to go meet him for a private session. And in our private session. He reflected back to me things that only me and God. He asked me like when the last time he hugged you and I just woke. I’m like, how did you know that I haven’t played my mom? I don’t want.

Speaker 

Him.

Samson:

And there was so much of that session that validated like, okay, there’s something here. And then I think he went back to Peru and he came back months later to meet, but you were just say, pay your masculine ceremony cactus. And I was a, I was a yes. I mean a funny story, I was one of those individuals that researched, you know, like when I had my by remembering that the tap on the shoulder, I would look up research on YouTube, I was hustler and, you know, trying to research what it was and my, my ignorance of that.

Samson:

That’s out of order. I was still. In the wagon.

Emily Hirsh:

To make it yourself.

Samson:

Though, so, you know, you know how silly that is, right? So. Yeah. Guys, forward. I go to the ceremony. It was beautiful about, you know, this individual, like he leads with his family. So it’s him and his wife and his daughter. So we’re there, and I’m going through a lot now, right. That was, again, my first introduction, at least in this lifetime, to the bridge of, the plants.

Samson:

You know, the spirit of the plant and my way of the cactus. And that was now a deeper reintroduction of remembering for myself. I remember that day, that night, even when we drank, I was through the resistance, like right here, like, right at the base of my chest, the top of my stomach. And it was just very heavy.

Samson:

It was thick. And I went and I was like, I’m feeling a lot of resistance. I said, okay, just sit with it a bit more. So I did. I came back, okay. So that’s it. Okay to come with me so you can me kneel on the grass first? Can you start like chanting, etc.? Pray. And there’s just something about.

Samson:

The tongue. And when I say the tongue, I’m talking about the language. That’s ancient. I don’t care what it is, but it’s a it’s a language that has not been severed from its roots. So it still holds. It’s, it’s it’s it’s still holds the energy. Right. He’s chanting it. He’s praying. And again, it’s doing something to me. So he says, lay down on the grass.

Samson:

And my mind and ego is like, what? So leave it out. It says, roll around. And like bro is in the corner of my eye. There are people sitting around the fire and I’m more worried about them watching me look stupid. So my ego is for right now. What do you mean roll around? So I’m like, okay, you ask this man or you told this man that you’re resisting.

Samson:

So listen, so I’m rolling around and I kid, you got maybe a few rolls and it kicks in, and then I’m laying on the floor face down, face in the in the grass like dirt like this. Unable to move my body. I feel like paralyzed. And the moment I realize that I can’t move, I realize I can’t control what’s about to come.

Samson:

And I started moving and I started weeping. And I started weeping some more. The more I tried to stop it, I started weeping and all I hear is thing in the background saying, give it back to her. Let her have it, give it back to the mother. And I just know who’s in the family.

Speaker 

I’m.

Samson:

And as I’m crying again at this point now, I’m like, yeah, people are watching me like a little bitch, right? This is my ego talking.

Speaker 

Yeah.

Samson:

But I realize I also can’t do anything about it. And looking back, I see how so much of me has been suppressing all of that. I mean, so much of it, you know, was pain that wasn’t mine, but I was feeling for those who came to feel it in my lineage. So much of that, at least on some level, was resentment that I felt, you know, from my mom and dad separated.

Samson:

So much of that was the heartbreak, the grief, possibly the pain. I feel like helpless. What I couldn’t help the person that I was doing CPR on the table survived. So I made it my fault. You just so much in me that without having to analyze it, that was just coming through it. After that, obviously I had crazy visions that, you know, proving to be true later.

Samson:

And in that moment, yeah, I realized, okay, like, this is what’s next for me, right? So I happened to integrate that, I did I did another, you know, sit with him and, you know, again breadcrumbs to the next. And I went from what, you know, which holds more of a paternal ground type of energy. It’s heart opening.

Speaker 

Samson:

It’s a very long day. It’s at least ten or twelve hours. Right. To, you know what? We would consider the grandmother like ayahuasca, which again, as I like to explain, that was the introduction to, like what I say, selfacceptance, like real selfacceptance. Because.

Samson:

I faced, like, almost every aspect of my shadow that I didn’t know I had because, again, up to that point, I was a nice guy. I was a people pleaser, nonconfrontational. I was a peacemaker, right? Mediator? One, because I didn’t want to cause or sound off any of ours that would make people reject me or leave me.

Samson:

Okay, since a year and a half old, I had already internalized it. I was too much because of my parents, for whatever reason, based on what they made sense to at the time, realize that every time they would call my name, it would energize me in a way that it couldn’t handle. So my mom told me, hey, you, you were too.

Samson:

Your name was too loud. You like you were too. Your power was too much for us. And a year and a half.

Emily Hirsh:

Wow.

Samson:

So most of you don’t know, like, we start to internalize those things in vitro. It doesn’t matter. Like you take on everything, even in your mother’s womb. So in a year and a half old, I already started to take on energetically that I was too much. So could you imagine what happens when you believe you’re too much? You start too.

Samson:

You start to reject that for yourself. In fact, I didn’t just reject it, I didn’t. I didn’t just believe I was too much like it was proven through the fact that my parents stop calling me the name I was giving them, the name that was channeled for me. The name that would like literally command my energy. I was known by my real name for twenty six years until I went to a personal growth seminar.

Samson:

I had had like, a realization like, yo, this is my middle name, this is my body. And that’s when I started to ask him, you know, get, you know, caught up with the stories of why did you call me my middle name? So imagine being called out of your name if I’m not called by the name that was spiritually given to me, then I have been.

Samson:

I’ve been abandoning myself this whole entire time. So a lot of this was coming forward because I was compensating for. A lot of the elements that I rejected in myself from too much, from my parents, and I might be too much for everyone else. So let me make myself palatable, digestible for everybody. Okay, cool. Let me become a people pleaser so people will leave.

Samson:

Let me say yes to everything, even though I know I can’t handle it. Let me be a nice guy because, you know, so that environment with ayahuasca, which again, I tell people it’s not for everybody, right. Like be ready for the work after it before you go into it, because that’s where everything changed for me. But during those where at least during my first sip, I was faced like every version of my health that was possible.

Samson:

I remember doing it backwards. This is how crazy it got feeling like. Everyone there was in on. Embarrassing me.

Emily Hirsh:

Wow. Yeah, I could tell. Is it? Yeah. That they didn’t expect this.

Samson:

Was a setup. They set me up to go through this. Right. And it was crazy because like, the way again, my ego, it reflected back to me. Like, even someone’s facial expression would affirm that belief. Right? The betrayal came up. The shame. I’m talking about it. It was guttural, like there were parts in that ceremony where, like I was, I was making guttural sounds because of how painful was.

Samson:

I like to explain. I’m like, if this was the cliff, I feel like I was being like, how do you ever watch Michael Jackson smooth criminal way?

Speaker 

He leaned over like that.

Samson:

I was like at the cusp of it, just for me to, like, completely feel all of it and then came back. And that was the start of, I would say, seeing everything about myself that I was rejecting. And I realized at that moment, yeah, in order for me to like what I was doing, seeking something outside of me was me realizing that it was me.

Samson:

Right. I, I pushed down for most of my life, these parts that were unacceptable to everybody else around me. So as a way to survive, I learned to be a great shapeshifter and adapt more to whatever the room needed and not who I was. So, yeah.

Emily Hirsh:

I think that’s a lot of entrepreneurs experience, too. I mean, yeah, that’s mine too.

Samson:

Yeah, there’s so much of that. But yeah, I mean, it was. It was, yeah. Year and a half or even before that, that led to everything that guided me to, you know, essentially like getting to a place where, you know, the work that I do now for people was what I had to experience within myself. That led me to specific mentors and getting trained.

Samson:

And, you know, second rounds, to now offer to people. Yeah. After the parents, obviously, that I went into Somatics to really understand, like the body and realize that even as a society with place so much priority and attention on the mind, I mean, you can see it even in the personal development space, everything is think.

Samson:

Right. As a man thinketh so will he be, which is an incomplete lie to begin with. As a man thinketh in his heart and you can think with your heart, you can feel with your heart. So, but there’s so much around mentalism and mindset that I noticed be completely laid up, forgot and suppressed the other side of the body, right?

Samson:

That that holds so much. Not just wisdom, but it’s also holding so much of what we’re running away from, that we’re overcompensating by way of utilizing our mind and logic to try to fill the void that we’ve been running away from. So to understand the subtle nuances of the body, to understand the ability to not just feel, but the like feel safely, has not only brought me to a state of reconnection with myself, but it’s it’s it’s what is fueled my presence.

Samson:

And if I were to sum up everything, it’s come down to presence. It’s come down to my ability to actually hear. Right? Like earlier in my life, there were physical. There was physical evidence that affirmed that I shouldn’t be here by way of not being documented or watching what happened to my body. So like the internal world that I was like, living was already rooted.

Samson:

Oh, I don’t I don’t deserve to be here. And that was just it was just expressing yourself externally. So a lot of my work, right. A lot of it invited me back to here, to my body. What I’ve come to know is that.

Samson:

If we are. Spiritual by nature.

Samson:

Having a human experience. Then my humanity matters the most because it is only through my human experience that I can evolve spiritually. So the life for me became more about how can I invite my humanity? How can I descend into the very mundane things? How can I be here? How can I be grounded? How can I be more physical than the need that I had, or the desire that I had to ascend or train?

Samson:

Like go above? Like for me to go higher? I learned that it meant going deeper. That was that was what was my experience and eventually became what I now support you.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah. That is such a good story. And like, so cool to see all the way back.

Samson:

Like.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah, I’ve never heard so much of that. But it all makes so much sense knowing you and working with you and like all the experiences you had to go through to be able to do the work that you do today. Yeah. And I mean that I think that’s that’s the journey, right? Like you learn through the experience and that you could go take a class, but it’s like I even think about, you know, I’m going a season of like the beginning of hosting retreats and helping people in a deeper way than marketing.

Emily Hirsh:

But that’s only possible because I started with the work and then found it and then was like, oh, this is so powerful. And I thought about this many times when I was just in Costa Rica, that literally like the work that I’ve done with you personally created the ability for me to run that retreat. Like I pull from our sessions and the experiences I had to create impact on other people.

Emily Hirsh:

And there’s no way I could have learned that in a class.

Samson:

You know, the classes are useful, right?

Speaker 

Samson:

I think there’s a purpose to everything. But with much discernment because then it becomes.

Samson:

A collector’s item really quick and. Yeah, I’m an avid reader of an avid researcher. I love it. And I know when.

Speaker 

I’m.

Samson:

Consuming too much like information.

Samson:

But I had to balance it or harmonize it with the wisdom through lived experience.

Emily Hirsh:

When that is embodied. Right? I mean, that’s the only way that you can really, I think have an impact is when you embody it. First.

Samson:

And what’s interesting about it is that.

Samson:

Like embody means to be in the body. What I’ve noticed is how so much of us either consciously or unconsciously, want to escape it.

Emily Hirsh:

And it runs so deep, like as we know with me.

Speaker 

Like, yeah.

Samson:

Yeah.

Emily Hirsh:

You can not even realize you’re doing it.

Samson:

I mean, think about it. It’s like if I didn’t get into the vehicle, that’s going to help me like navigate and get around, get around this temporary experience. And it’s, it’s every time I have on this planet and I’m not in it, how am I going to be and do what I do if I’m hovering above my experience as a fan and not in the game?

Samson:

No wonder why I’m always in the feel disconnected or feel like something is missing because I’m not immersed in and engaged with like life itself. And that could only happen by way of being in the body. But we can only be in the body through connection.

Emily Hirsh:

And it’s not like it’s always fun and happy. I think, you know, that’s the thing. It’s like we want this experience, but it’s like actually being fully present in the body means you have to sit with a lot of discomfort and pain.

Samson:

So okay, this is like this is like a perfect segue. This is what I said you want to come back to. Right. And I think this is where I’m like going to like vocalize because I have a lot of thoughts that I want to share sometimes too much. But okay, so we’ve come to a place where. We have a spiritual community.

Samson:

Right? Okay. And not just, you know, a spiritual community, as we know, like, even if you participate in another religion, it’s considered a community, a spiritual.

Samson:

What would you define as spiritual?

Emily Hirsh:

Oh, man. What came to me first is just a connection to something bigger than us.

Samson:

Connection to something bigger than us. Right? What else would you at? If anything.

Emily Hirsh:

That’s what. Yeah, I would not anything.

Samson:

So this something bigger than us.

Speaker 

Samson:

What’s your interpretation of.

Emily Hirsh:

What’s my personal. I say God okay.

Samson:

And do you believe or on some level know that we were created.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

Okay. So we were created by God going to be separate.

Emily Hirsh:

No. Okay.

Speaker 

So we are God this belief.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah.

Samson:

In something greater than you.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

Created us. That we can’t be separate from God. Right. So it’s kind of like the drop in the ocean. Right. The, the drop is a representation of the ocean. The drop itself is that the ocean is just a representation of the ocean in a different form. Right. So that’s the case.

Samson:

And we are created by God and we’re inhabiting these human bodies. How is being human not spiritual?

Emily Hirsh:

Right? It is.

Samson:

Right. Okay. So if if being human can be spiritual, then why do we need a spiritual community?

Emily Hirsh:

You don’t. It’s within you. Yeah.

Samson:

Right. So everything is spiritual is isn’t also the anger and sadness and shame and judgment and sorrow and triggers? Isn’t that also spiritual?

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah.

Samson:

And if God created us or you and we were a representation of God, just like the job is a representation of the ocean that isn’t God in those places as well.

Emily Hirsh:

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah.

Samson:

What happens is that when we disconnect from ourselves by way of rejecting parts of us that we’ve deemed unlovable, unacceptable, unfavorable, either by learning it from our upbringing or by conscious choice because we have to survive something that we put hold when we start to push the other way. What else do we push away?

Emily Hirsh:

All us, ourselves, the truth.

Samson:

And if we’re a reflection of God.

Emily Hirsh:

We push God.

Speaker 

Yeah.

Samson:

So the search.

Emily Hirsh:

Right.

Samson:

That people desperately have for call it spirituality, we call it God, call it something greater than you. Can just be the search for you that you.

Emily Hirsh:

And it’s already there. That’s the thing. It’s already there. Yeah. Okay. This is a good I think this is really relevant to my last session, which I want to talk about.

Speaker 

Emily Hirsh:

So, I think it would be helpful to share. So I’ve worked with you, I think two years now. Yeah. Almost. Exactly. And it started with just breathwork. I hired you to work with my team, and I think it was like two sessions and and I was like, hey, so, I think I need you.

Speaker 

Like.

Emily Hirsh:

I think we need to meet one on one. So it started with just the breathwork, and then we worked a lot of one on one sessions. And again, I said at the beginning, but, Julie, you’ve had a single person who’s had one of the biggest impacts on me in the last two years. I could not be running my retreats in my events without our work together.

Emily Hirsh:

And so we’ve done a lot of sessions. So I want to say that before I talk about the last one, because we just had I think for me, it was probably the most powerful session.

Samson:

To your name.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah. And what’s funny is I didn’t go into it like it wasn’t a time in my life where I was like, going through something really challenging you. When you think like you’re going through something like, oh, this will be the good, this will be the biggest session because I’m going to solve this big problem.

Samson:

We will have to solve it. Yeah.

Speaker 

So yeah, yeah.

Emily Hirsh:

So I went I went in that session because I was reading a book and it really like shook me because this book, this book was, was is a memoir. It’s called The Tell. And this woman talks about her life as a young child, as a perfectionist. And she was a runner, and she would run all the time. And people would always say, like, you’re always running.

Emily Hirsh:

And so I’m reading this book and it’s talking about like, how lonely she feels achieving and winning these awards as a kid and chasing. And I was like, oh fuck. Like, I’ve done all this work. And that’s still me.

Speaker 

Like.

Emily Hirsh:

I look at how I, you know, use CrossFit even right now. And anyways, her story goes into like remembering, a sexual abusive memory. Okay, I don’t have that story. So my mind was, like, going crazy. Like, why? I need to know why I am like this and what am I running from? So I told you this at the beginning of this session.

Emily Hirsh:

Basically, it was like, I want to know what I’m running from. And then you’re like, all right, lay down.

Speaker 

Like.

Emily Hirsh:

Let’s start.

Speaker 

And be like, what.

Emily Hirsh:

Does this work? No, but it’s let’s get into the body.

Speaker 

Is this.

Samson:

Clear?

Emily Hirsh:

Because I will just keep talking and analyzing it in my head and be like, so this is what happened when I was five, and Samsung knows to get me out of my head. So we go into the session, and I never told you this until afterwards, but like halfway through the session, I was getting annoyed because I was like, I’ve already done this.

Emily Hirsh:

I don’t think this works.

Speaker 

Like we’ve already.

Emily Hirsh:

Of course I would do that like I’ve already. You’ve already asked me these questions. And there was a moment where you told me to stop trying to get the answer right. And for whatever reason, that’s what I needed to hear in that session, because. So when Samson: works with you and when you work with me, it’s very much, just bringing awareness to what you’re experiencing in your body.

Emily Hirsh:

What are you noticing? Where do you feel it?

Samson:

And tracking your body and so oriented you to your environment just in not wanting to again intellectualize or. Yeah, or solve what’s happening. It’s just it’s creating the conditions for you to be present with what is happening in your body by way of sensations, feelings that come up alongside the sensations or emotions.

Emily Hirsh:

And it’s getting you out of your head, which is challenging for me because then I’m.

Samson:

Resisting that as well.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah. So you took I was like, I don’t know what I’m feeling in my body. You know, if was was trying to come up, I guess, with the answer and it’s so deep, it’s like you don’t realize you’re doing it in the moment of like, I’m trying to get this answer right. So you said that to me, and then somehow we I mean, that was like the catalyst.

Emily Hirsh:

And it got to that moment of, I think you asked me a question and it was like, what’s the belief? I think, and for me it was I’m not loved. And then I sat in that for the first time and yeah, since I was maybe five, right, six of like what it feels like to face that belief.

Emily Hirsh:

And what came out for me of that session was the power of acceptance and and just feeling. And it sounds and it is so simple. But you could have told me this a hundred times in the last two years, and I, I wouldn’t have gone it. So it was like something just clicked of what it actually feels like to accept without judgment.

Emily Hirsh:

And allow yourself to just experience the feeling. And you said something to me in it of like, that feeling is is real for the little girl. It’s not true that you’re not love, but it’s real. And like that differentiation too for me, because immediately I would usually go to like, well, that’s not that’s not a valid feeling because you were loved.

Emily Hirsh:

You had parents, you know, like override it. That’s how I was taught as a kid. Is is override it immediately, like, oh, you’re upset. Well, here’s why you shouldn’t be upset. Oh, you’re mad because your friend did that to you. Well, that’s why they did it to you. So it’s okay. And that’s what I’ve done to myself for, you know, twenty five years.

Emily Hirsh:

And so is this shift of like, instead of doing that, what if you just I think you said to me afterwards, like, what if you had just accepted that and then focused on your breath, that’s it. And then like oh my gosh.

Speaker 

Samson:

Yeah. I mean I think the biggest thing that and you know thank you for you know like to bring that back. Yeah I just I also want to acknowledge the even though it didn’t appear because it appeared that way. It’s the level of patience for you to continue. But just being open right. Because the time really doesn’t matter.

Samson:

It’s the moment that matters. But we get fixated on when is it going to happen or how long or how fast can I do this? Then you’re distracted. That’s another form of distraction from the from the presence that’s required in order for you to be open for the moment. And this is the this is the difference between chronological time and chronos time.

Samson:

It’s like the difference between linear and the moment. I think obviously over the two years that that wasn’t just a singular moment, but there are many little micro moments of small doses, of slight nuances and subtle complexities and little things and a little gates and doors that were open and, you know, the integration of the many different things that led up to that very moment.

Samson:

That was it’s like a feather, but it was like, an ocean wave come. It felt like an ocean, a wave of progress compared to the two years of work that we’ve done, because it’s it’s all connected. Like you had to prepare yourself up to that point. So I want to acknowledge you for that. And to what you said, about what I should you remember me sharing that?

Samson:

Right. I think what’s important to point towards is. Knowing the difference between the adults perspective. And the inner child that is puppeteering the adult perspective. What I’ve come to witness and realize by way of the people that I work with, you first see me, is that there are a lot of adults with whom the inner children inside of.

Emily Hirsh:

Probably the majority of adults.

Samson:

Not. It’s not always trauma. Right. Which can be subjective. Right. But it could be something that was overwhelming enough for you as a child that you couldn’t handle that caused you to fragment yourself. And in that moment, if there was no comfort or safety or confirmation around you, that it’s okay to feel that the last thing you’re going to do is create the time to feel that you’re not loved.

Samson:

This doesn’t mean that it’s true, because from the adult perspective, you oh yeah, my mom and dad went through this. They did the best that they could and all this shit that we say, right? And yet we still feel what we feel. Why? Because it’s not the adult, it’s the little kid that did not get a chance to complete and resolve.

Samson:

Right. The chapter that was opened. So what happens is now we reenact that same unfinished chapter of the loop. It keeps happening by different face, different day, different environment, different situation. Until we give that moment for that child the condition necessary for it to feel what it’s been resistant to feeling. In your case, the last thing you didn’t want to feel is that you’re not loved, because that may have to reinforce the belief that you’re that love.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah. So you run from it. Exactly.

Samson:

So I’m going to do something else. I’m going to be something else to mask that I am loved so people can love me. I want to achieve my ass off to appear a certain way so people can love me. But deep down inside, what you’re longing for is the grief from ever having to believe that in the first place.

Samson:

Because you got to look at from whatever it happened that slowly became your identity.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah.

Samson:

Right. And the thing it’s like, well, I got results from this, right? And I built a world from this, and I’d be crazy to want to burn it all down. But the honest human is the human that’s willing to see not only the price that they’re paying and what it’s costing to keep being that way. But I don’t see that.

Samson:

And this is where most people.

Samson:

Don’t transform or don’t change. They find it difficult to change. It’s easy to see what’s not working, but we don’t see what we’re benefiting from.

Emily Hirsh:

And I would hope that some of you have taught me massively that I’ve. Yeah, you always ask me that. Like, okay, I’ll say this thing, oh, I don’t want to do this. And I’ll, you know, be basically complaining about something. And you’re like, okay, well how’s it benefiting you now? Like it’s not.

Speaker 

Okay. Right.

Samson:

Well it’s not, but again, you got to your nervous system and your subconscious is driving you to do it. So the thing is, it doesn’t matter what you think. It matters what you’re moved to do or not do. Right? So it’s like when we’re willing to see how we’re benefiting from it. For example, let’s say someone is unhealthy, you know, by way of like, let’s say being overweight and they know by way of trying many different diets and different processes that, okay, this is not serving, but I just can’t seem to find something that works, or I found something that works.

Samson:

And somewhere along the line I hit a threshold and I found myself back at square one.

Speaker 

Samson:

This has nothing to do with the practices of the action. This is much deeper. It’s a subconscious level and it’s also a nervous system capacity level. What if the weight that the individual, the human has on a deep level is serving as a layer of protection to keep people far? Because if you were to get close to me, you might hurt me.

Samson:

So I physically expressed right to appear in a way that would keep you far away, or make you not want to be attracted to me. If I were to lose weight and look good and be all me, then I’m going to just draw unwanted attention and the last time you maybe drew unwanted attention, you were hurt. So there are very deep, subconscious reasons why we do something.

Samson:

We’re on the surface does not appear beneficial or help for you. So in fact it can be dysfunctional, unhealthy, unhealthy. But yet there’s a deep benefit to it. That’s why we’re doing that’s why we’re doing it. And oftentimes it’s connected to survival.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah, absolutely. And I think there’s so many people, myself included, that will be like, I don’t want to, you know, work all the time and constantly be going and burn myself out. And then it’s like, well, you do actually, because you say that you pay off. Yeah, there’s a payoff. You push yourself to a point where then you’re like, oh, I don’t want to do this anymore.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah. And then you do it again so you can.

Samson:

Sell yourself that story. If you saw yourself that story, then saw yourself, you you hear from the belief that’s underneath. It’s like, oh, I see people don’t help me. Nobody wants to support you.

Emily Hirsh:

I have to do it all on my own. Yeah.

Samson:

There’s so many layers to it.

Speaker 

But,

Samson:

I think when we can understand this and see it for what it is from a holistic perspective, then we’ll see that the many different layers and faculties that make us, us are actually working in favor of us. Everything’s it may not appear that way. Right. It’s working in favor of what’s needed. But most of the time it’s serving the needs to survive.

Samson:

Which to our ego, which is a survival self, that is what it’s built for. Like I am building wired to survive. So anything that I deem a danger or threat I must defend, and I’m going to pull every trick out that and I’m going to create so many layers of it so you don’t even realize it consciously. So you don’t put me out of business.

Samson:

So that’s, it’s it’s how it is. But when we accept there’s no more internal, there’s no more fighting.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah.

Samson:

Oh, you know something? Thank you for protecting me from being hurt. Thank you from. Thank you for, you know, wanting to keep me safe from a time in my life where someone did support me and they let me down. Thank you for, you know, helping me achieve so much is. The thing is, there’s also a purpose to that energy.

Samson:

Thing is, it’s a matter of what it’s serving. Right? So, I love to tell people there is no wrong to you in that way. It serves a purpose until you realize, okay, the reward you’re getting is no longer worth the price you’re paying it, then it’s up to you to shift. But the biggest thing that acceptance provides as the opportunity to not just be in the moment, but is to reengage with the realest, most truest party, which is your soul.

Samson:

That has been essentially, it’s not put out of business, but it’s been shunned right? And the keys have been given to a part of you that held hostage by a past that you were afraid of repeating. So you keep being a certain way that is shutting the most choose party so you can accept. You can see the purpose of everything.

Samson:

And now it’s like you have everything on the table. What returns to you is not only like the holistic picture of what’s happening through awareness, but your dignity of choice, which is actually your liberation. Because up until that point, you were choosing, you were being chosen for by way of like the automatic response of your subconscious. Now, by way of some awareness, you invite yourself back to the table by letting yourself back into your heart and reconnecting with the truth.

Samson:

And most part of you. When you ask that you’re guided by that. Where am I meant to go? What is most aligned with who I am and what I’m here to do? What is going to serve the highest, not just give me, but the highest version of this cycle and season of my life. And then you listen and then you move as opposed to reactive.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah, yeah. And I spent most of my life just overwriting that. Yeah. And in it, I mean like just that has been completely life changing. So I sent you that message after so like a few days after that, I went on a flight and I’m scared of flying. And so the normal way that I handle that is I logically tell myself that there is like a zero % chance that I’m that I’m going to crash.

Emily Hirsh:

I will look at the flight attendants and I’ll be like, well, they’re calm, so you should be calm. Like I will go in my head around and around, which, yeah, which works. But this flight, I decided I’m not going to work because I will distract myself to like, okay, get busy working. So you’re not paying attention to the turbulence.

Emily Hirsh:

And it was like an especially turbulent flight. Like the flight attendants couldn’t even get up. So I’m like, okay, I’m going to practice this. I’m going to sit here and I’m going to feel the fear. And I close my eyes. And for three hours I wasn’t. It was like ebb and flow, right? And so I would just sit with it and then I’d be like, okay, my heart is beating faster, my palms are getting sweaty, I feel scared of flying.

Emily Hirsh:

And just like, period. And it was the most simple thing. And I’ll never forget that flight because it that is such a different way of handling that. And so now after it’s like, I’ll do it all the time when I’m driving like, oh, I feel this. And then just acknowledging it. And then you’ll ask the question of like, if it had a voice, what would it say?

Emily Hirsh:

And so I’ll ask myself that. And that’s your wisdom.

Samson:

Yes. Yes. I mean, I had a, I had a session today where and they know this similar thing and it was towards the beginning and I asked them this and it was very simple. It was to regain my, my power and immediately the mind tried to jump in and make meaning of what does that mean? And coming out of that.

Samson:

We helped them see that.

Speaker 

Samson:

It’s not so much about making meaning of what you’re being told. It’s about using what you’re being told as a signal to be guided in the direction, so you can pay attention to the other signals. Cause it is only through experience that you can make meaning of something. Right? So for them it was like, oh. Like I can, I can lead.

Samson:

Yes. Like your voice has always been there, just been drowned out by whatever reason. And you know, a lot of times there are many there are many social reasons why we don’t listen to that voice, why we don’t trust it. I mean, most most of the time that voice has been we’ve been taught not to trust it from a very young age.

Samson:

Right. And when you come to find out that you have your own, that you were giving your own baby, that voice is also connected to that being greater than you. And that’s how that being greater than you is also communicating to you. Then you realize that, oh, like what version of me have I been living?

Samson:

And that’s usually the catalyst of people who are now realizing, okay, I actually don’t know who I am. I need to remember them. And that’s the connection with this part of them that starts to give way to a different experience.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

Yeah.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah.

Samson:

Yeah.

Emily Hirsh:

And then the other piece in that session was how I use control.

Speaker 

To.

Emily Hirsh:

Try to stop controlling and I like laughing. So I had Jen on the podcast and I’m like I’ve tattooed Trust and Surrender on.

Speaker 

Myself and like when is it going to work. You know like just surrender.

Samson:

No control. Yeah okay.

Speaker 

Affirmations, right. Yeah.

Emily Hirsh:

But I mean, it runs so deep and I can’t remember exactly like our conversation in that, but it was like, I think I am surrendering it when I am like, no, this is how you do it, okay, let go do this. And you’re like, no, I’ve realized you can’t surrender without acceptance. First. Like surrendering to me now feels like acceptance of just like it is.

Samson:

Yeah, that’s exactly what surrender is. We know that’s what acceptance is, but that’s what surrender is. It is not. It was not. It should be. No, it must be. No, it has to be. It just is. And when we can bring ourselves to that, when we can live life as it is. The suffering that we tend to experience may not be experienced as much, because we’re not at war with what’s here.

Speaker 

We are.

Samson:

We’re learning to develop enough internal safety, fortitude and resilience to be able to meet life and engage with life. However, life chooses to present itself to us and vice versa. So yeah, it’s that, for lack of a better word, is there is this, And I have to learn that too. It’s like surrender is not an action, right?

Samson:

Yeah, it’s it just is.

Emily Hirsh:

I’m going to get that on me now.

Speaker 

I’m just kidding. It is. Except that.

Samson:

So funny.

Emily Hirsh:

I mean, for entrepreneurs, especially female entrepreneurs, I feel I mean, I work with a lot of female entrepreneurs. I just hosted a retreat every one of them struggles with this. The the white knuckling controlling everything, not being able to surrender, not knowing how and what that does is eventually it leads to burnout. It’s like you can only do that for so long and then you’re just tired.

Emily Hirsh:

And that’s, you know, where that’s where I got. And I’m still like, I definitely have so much work to do. But it it’s exhausting to play the game of perfection and only show the, you know, the, the version of yourself that’s put together and it’s run so deep because I think that I would use, oh, I’m very transparent and and vulnerable and even on this podcast, like I’ll share the bad.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah. But it’s very calculated. It’s like I’ll, I’ll share what I feel ready to share. And then the rest gets hidden, not just from others but from myself. And that’s the thing is, like, even with myself, I couldn’t handle it. Yeah. Sitting in sadness, in pain, in anger. I couldn’t handle it. And I like as a kid, that was exactly my experience.

Emily Hirsh:

It was, no, you’re not allowed to feel that because it’s too much for us. And so, I mean, if you can’t sit with it with yourself, you’re definitely not going to let other people see it. And I didn’t realize I was doing that. So like, it was all calculated like, no, I show people when I’m angry, but it’s like, no, I’m controlling what I show people.

Samson:

And you’re controlling the control.

Speaker 

Samson:

And again, when we see it for what it is that it’s let’s say a method that is. Very effective.

Samson:

On behalf of your survival. And you can just acknowledge it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I do control that. I’m not controlling because something’s wrong with me, that I’m controlling because there is an element of like my, my, my experience that doesn’t feel safe doing so. And and then when you’re willing to like in very small ways, like when I say small doses, it’s the, you know, it’s it’s the nature of us that likes the big grandiose peak experience.

Samson:

Just because we think this one big thing is going to change long enough. I say small doses because you’re retraining yourself to cultivate. A sense of self and a sense of familiarity in knowing that you can do that and be that right. But it’s acknowledging that it’s okay to be who you’ve been because you know anything else.

Emily Hirsh:

And like you said, be grateful for that version of you and all. Yeah. Where it got you.

Samson:

And obviously, as long as it doesn’t cause harm to somebody else and like the real harm to yourself and in some case it does. Right. Because people do go off the deep end, they’re like, it’s like feeling is really intense for people. And it’s not the act of feeling itself is the stories that were created, a value that becomes very intense, like very, very intense.

Speaker 

Samson:

And yeah, I was sharing the other day that it’s not really feeling that I think people are afraid of. It’s not the emotion. I think it’s the compounding of not feeling and the build up of the flood. They feel that if they let the door open, they’ll be overwhelmed by.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah, that was that’s my experience too. Over.

Samson:

Well yeah. That’ll keep the the game going. They’ll keep the persona mask on because if if I were to think even consider myself just letting myself like just acknowledge it and then feel it, I may not survive that. If I may drown by my own. By my own. Yeah. So this is why small doses are important. This is why the two years mattered.

Samson:

This is why preparing yourself for the moment matters. And it’s practice. Just like I would throw someone that I love immediately in the fire. We don’t do that to ourselves. It’s like, notice there’s a fire there and that’s first, and then just get close enough to feel the limit of the fire and then get closer to feel it’s warmth.

Samson:

And then and then the more you’re getting close to you, you’re building the capacity to hold it. Because it’s not just about feeling, it’s about continuing the a fire can destroy.

Speaker 

And.

Samson:

Burn down, but a fire can also provide a warmth and light. Water can drown and completely flood, but water can also right, hydrate and take care of your nourish you right? The same fire that can cause an explosion is also responsible for powering the rocket, right? So it’s all a matter of being able to contain the energy and direct it.

Samson:

Yeah. If you’re completely disassociated from it and you push it away, you now become a hostage and a slave to it. And this is why people experience, like, very unconscious slips or slip outs of passive aggressiveness or, you know, so I’ll cut you off in a row and you just have a complete meltdown and you lose your shit, or you hear, like, a plate slam, and it’s like you just get easily frustrated.

Samson:

It’s because it’s. As I like to call it, the emotional death that’s been backed up with interest. It’s the emotional constipation that we have not allowed ourself to digest that’s living up because it need somewhere to go. We think that, oh, you know, I’m not going to face it right now. So it’s it’s disappeared.

Speaker 

No it’s still there. Doesn’t go. Yeah.

Samson:

Anywhere. It needs somewhere to go. Yeah. The greatest visual that I use it I give people is that for those I mean you have probably that you, you’ve been in the presence of a river, right? What do you feel when you see a river?

Emily Hirsh:

Calm.

Samson:

Calm. Right. What else do you feel?

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah. Just peaceful.

Samson:

Calm is have you been around a river that’s like rushing.

Emily Hirsh:

Like the water. Yeah. I guess it’s like more chaotic feeling. Yeah.

Samson:

Right. But you feel the energy from either you. Yeah. You feel the power. You feel the energy the suddenly do you notice it. Where are you standing on. To watch the river.

Emily Hirsh:

The, the side.

Samson:

The banks. Yeah. What’s holding it without the banks there is no river that flows in an ordered way. We need. A container, that’s what the body is.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah.

Samson:

The body is a container for the emotions, feelings and experiences to pass through.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

Comes it comes out comes it comes out, comes in. No. Now you’ve just dammed the flow of the river. What happens when you dam the flow of a river.

Emily Hirsh:

Eventually it breaks.

Samson:

Right. It breaks. It backs up.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah. Backs up an event.

Samson:

Now everything else that’s coming in has nowhere to go now. That’s why you feel the weight. That’s why. Yes, that’s why things. You feel tired. So why you feel exhausted. That’s why you feel anxious. Because literally the weight of years of being backed up is catching up. Because more experiences are coming in and it needs somewhere to go and shit.

Samson:

You’re not going to open the door. Okay? I’m going to slip out through cussing somebody out or through freaking out randomly or to escape me or to shutting down is because the body can only handle so much repression and suppression before it depresses. And depression is just the absence of feeling.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

What it wants is not just loose expression. It wants to create the capacity to feel feeling it just the ability for whatever wants to come in to pass through. Just like you stand over events that’s holding and containing the flow of the river. That’s what the body is. That’s why the body is important. It’s important in the way of its wellbeing, but the connection to it.

Samson:

So you’re not inhibiting the very information because that’s just what feelings and emotions are. It’s energy, emotion, emotion, energy, emotion that is just energy. That’s usually just information that through there, passing through leaves you with something that can inform you about your experience. But until we allow ourselves to experience and feel it now, we’re searching for the very thing that is going to offer, the thing we’re looking for it, but we’re not feeling it like anger, not in all cases.

Samson:

Anger where inform you where you let your boundaries down or your boundaries been violated. But if you don’t let yourself experiencing the healthy way this was going to keep happening, your boundaries are going to keep getting walked over. Yeah. You won’t engage with the energy and power and that anger provides to help create new ones. No. Right.

Samson:

And again it’s not for everybody. Sometimes anger is also a secondary emotion. Not in all cases right. Sometimes the secondary emotion for the primary emotion that is covering up for sadness usually.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah. Right. Shame. Yeah.

Samson:

It’s protecting us from those things.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

Right. Because if I were let myself experience that then what I meant I need to be vulnerable to feel.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

I need to be vulnerable to feel. Vulnerability is honesty. But vulnerability is also the space of being exposed. Which can we think of exposure if in danger.

Emily Hirsh:

I was gonna say it’s like death to us. Yeah.

Samson:

Exposure. Oh shit. Like I’m about to die so. Nope. And if we can rethink what vulnerability truly is, it’s the ability to be open in the appropriate moments, times and conditions, right? To allow ourselves to be open and exposed for whatever it is to pass through. But not only that, for us to see ourselves in it without judgment, and eventually for us to be seen by others in it without judgment.

Samson:

The very thing that caused the fragmentation fracture was caused by humans.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

So. It’s only right for it to be repaired and reconciled with by humans. Right. Yeah. So I mean kudos to you for at least getting to a place because I know, I know, it’s, it’s a, it’s a challenging thing for a lot of entrepreneurs. That have built together their entire world. Is that what they do?

Emily Hirsh:

Exactly. And your success. Yeah.

Samson:

So to even consider and I mean, this happens with you as well. This happens with a lot of those who would identify as a high achiever, right, high performer. So much of their identity is in what they do to achieve in performance. And yet a lot of times the fear is that shit, if I were to open this up, will I lose my edge?

Emily Hirsh:

So that’s one of the last questions I can ask you because I don’t know like like this is a thought I have a lot is like I like my CrossFit and I like. Achieving it. So can you heal that. And still. Achieve. Or am I going to be like fuck CrossFit. Like I don’t want to do this anymore, you know, like.

Speaker 

Yeah.

Samson:

So it’s not black and white.

Emily Hirsh:

Right? And there’s not right or wrong.

Samson:

It’s not black and white. First thing I would say is. When I hear that the times I see that the person is looking through a linear lens.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

A to Z, left to right. And the nature of how we experience our humanity is rarely linear, cyclical and seasonal. So the question I ask is what season are you in and do you need the edge during that season. That’s the first question. Second question is well what is the edge for you. So what’s the edge. What’s the air that you fear you’re going to lose?

Emily Hirsh:

Emily Hirsh:

I guess like results.

Samson:

Okay, okay. Great results from what?

Emily Hirsh:

Either business or right now across. It’s very big for me. Okay.

Samson:

So you feel that if you were to heal this, right, which by way of how you said it, the power, would you say it fix this.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

That you think that something is going to change. It’s going to go away.

Emily Hirsh:

Right. Like the drive.

Samson:

So there’s a part of you that’s already judging it as a problem.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

What’s the problem with this edge that.

Emily Hirsh:

I guess I blame it for being the reason that I struggle to be present.

Samson:

Oh, okay. Again. So?

Emily Hirsh:

So. Okay, so for me, it’s like, is it taking me away? It’s the judgment. Is it taking me away from my kids too much? Am I doing it too much? It’s all the judgment of like what is the right amount?

Samson:

So now when you can recognize that and you see it’s not the edge you’re losing, but it’s how you’re seeing and perceiving yourself in relationship to the edge. What can you shift?

Emily Hirsh:

I mean. It comes to the acceptance of. Just it is what it is right now.

Samson:

And something to recognize is that it’s not so much of the edge. It’s what is fueling the edge.

Emily Hirsh:

Right?

Samson:

So if you’re judging the edge for you’ve been judging the edge. What’s been feeling, what you been doing?

Emily Hirsh:

I have I’ve been doing CrossFit.

Samson:

CrossFit or.

Emily Hirsh:

The need to achieve. Feels good.

Samson:

Okay. Great. Why else.

Emily Hirsh:

Gives me purpose.

Samson:

Okay. So now I want you to say what you just said through the lens of judging the edge.

Emily Hirsh:

So the edge gives me purpose and feels good.

Samson:

So if I have purpose and feel, feel good. What does that mean for my kids?

Emily Hirsh:

They’ll be inspired.

Samson:

Or by how you are relating to it. I’m taking away from my kids.

Emily Hirsh:

Right.

Samson:

What else.

Emily Hirsh:

What does that mean. You mean or what else am I relating to it. Yeah I mean I mean mostly it’s the judgment of like what’s too much. I need a definition of when it’s over the line.

Samson:

So if you get it, if you feel good from CrossFit and you feel purposeful from CrossFit.

Samson:

And you feel like it’s too much, what are you indirectly saying about CrossFit?

Emily Hirsh:

That it’s been or is it? Well, I don’t yeah, I don’t think it’s too much, but I have to talk myself through that a lot.

Samson:

Why do you have to talk yourself through it?

Emily Hirsh:

I guess I question my own. I question myself about CrossFit. Yeah. Or if I’m doing too much, I’m doing the right thing, right? Right. Versus. Yeah. Why? Why am I doing it? Am I using it to run? You know, I read that book and then I’m like, okay, well, she used running to run. Am I using CrossFit to run?

Emily Hirsh:

You’re like, yeah, I know this.

Samson:

And what if you’re just doing CrossFit? Just a kid? CrossFit?

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah. And what if in this season this is the right amount and then it could change, and I don’t know how to control it.

Samson:

What voice? Is leading and driving me? Yes. What voices?

Emily Hirsh:

The judgmental.

Samson:

Whose voice is that?

Emily Hirsh:

That would be. Maybe my mom’s. Yeah, yeah. And that’s I mean, yes, analyzing everything.

Samson:

Through the lens of if you’re doing it right.

Emily Hirsh:

They’ve been doing it right. Yeah.

Samson:

So if you can hear that and see that there is a lens in the persona that is driving the edge that you need or you feel you need in order to constantly achieve or do CrossFit and just redirected towards how is CrossFit actually serving you?

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

And how that serves other people. And then is your words solely predicated upon how much you achieve? Yeah. It’s not like you lose the edge. No the edge. It’s not an edge that you have now. It’s real purpose you have.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

Because you don’t need an edge to feel you, you have something greater than you that pulls you rather than you having to force me. Now if I need an edge I need to control it.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

But if something deeper that’s connected to like my own most authentic self and nature is fueling that, that I don’t need an edge most of the time. Why a lot of high achievers and high performers are like they fear losing their edge. If they were able, if they were to go through. This is because their sense of self, their entire world, is tied to what they’ve done.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah, yeah.

Samson:

And if I have to let that go, then who the fuck am I? Am I do. Right. And as cliche as it sounds the work helps you remember that who you are is not connected to what you do, but who you are is connected to who you are. Period. And when we’ve forgotten that but we’ve ghosted ourselves, we now replaced it by way of adaptation with a mask or an identity or achieving or whatever it is, or performing that is going to give us some sort of inner stability and control that once maybe thread.

Samson:

A sense of not belonging and a sense of love being pulled away. So it’s not just losing what you may do, it’s losing what doing is connected to.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

So if you were to achieve and achieve and achieve right, what do you get from that.

Emily Hirsh:

I feel good when I achieve okay.

Samson:

What else.

Emily Hirsh:

Emily Hirsh:

I mean like I think. The answer I, I maybe would have said before is external validation, but.

Samson:

You may not.

Emily Hirsh:

I don’t know if that is the case anymore. I think it really is like I feel better when I’m achieving and accomplishing and like, yeah, doing things in the world and growing.

Samson:

Let’s talk about before what achieving that to you.

Emily Hirsh:

Love.

Samson:

So the edge is connected to love. If I don’t achieve that I don’t need love.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

And if I stop doing that I will be love. So that’s why there’s a fear or at least resistance to doing work like this. Because if your sense of self is connected to what you do and what you do and how you perform means love, well, if I do lose the thing that causes me to achieve, which means love to me, yeah, I’m losing love, right?

Samson:

But that’s not really love because it’s conditional. Breaking it apart. What you do because you’ve forgotten that you don’t get love. You are.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

So that that individual will just return to that. They will return to the parts of themselves that they rejected. See the illusion that. We’re unlovable. See the feeling is real right. You may feel it, the effects may suffer because of it but it’s an illusion. Because what happened in some cases is that what I want to show up fully is who I am.

Samson:

Some part of that triggered a sense or a lack of safety in knowing that, oh, somebody in my environment did like that.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

So what I start to do is I start to push that away, not just from them. I get to hide it from myself. What I just said was, oh, that part’s not worth being in the light. So it’s not lovable. And if that’s not lovable, yes. That’s space. That’s me filled with something. Let me go. Replace it with something that I feel was going to be worthy of love.

Emily Hirsh:

That you did.

Samson:

Before.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

So I can understand the fear but what’s going to drive your habits going won’t be from a place of lack, limitation and fragmentation. And it’ll be from a place of wholeness, completeness and acceptance of who you are. And most of the time you’ll notice you won’t need to have that much of a high output because when you can accept that part of you, it’s more alignment than it is for.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

Right. It’s more alignment that is forcing. And in your case yeah you can achieve for achieving success. Nothing wrong with that. Oh yeah I like achieving. Do I like getting things done to. But the place I do it from.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah. Yeah. The intention behind it. Yeah.

Samson:

It’s a consciousness that I’m doing it for. Because if I’m doing it because I need to fill a void, I’m always going to feel empty. Right. So I get a ton of people who get the thing and they get to the place and they still.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah. How do you know if you’re doing it to fill a void?

Samson:

Patterns. You’ll get to the place that you worked your ass off for, and you recognize the same feeling I’m running from is still here.

Emily Hirsh:

So if you’re if you’re running from something. Yeah.

Samson:

Yeah, yeah, it’s it’s.

Samson:

If we’re running, something is always going to chase.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

And if we’re willing to stop.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

Turn around and lovingly face it. Is that the chase you. You’ve now met it. And the very thing that you’re running from that may have caused you to now look for it outside of yourself. There’s no longer controlling you. You’re no longer a hostage to you, no longer a hostage to the need to prove yourself, because you are now the host of who you truly are.

Samson:

You’re the host for the proof that you are right. When we’re enslaved to something, there’s always something we’re bound by. Something that we’re in prison to and achieving. For some people, may just look like. Rearranging the prison walls. Yeah. It’s in a prison cell and calling it transformation or change, right? When in reality, it was just making the prison more comfortable.

Samson:

Right. In a lot of cases, in extreme cases, those who achieve achievement, you achieve and you achieve and achieve, because what happens is you get there and you realize, oh, shit, I did so. You want to do it some more? How do you go it, baby, I have achieved no.

Speaker 

Yeah, I’ll.

Emily Hirsh:

Go to the next level.

Speaker 

Let me achievement.

Samson:

Damn, I, I didn’t go bigger. And the reality is, is there’s nothing. Well, I think I think the benefit of the high achiever archetype in a way, is the ability to create some really amazing and decent things. But it’s the price and the cost. And I just think in this day and age. Right. The question to ask what’s up is, is it worth it?

Samson:

Sacrificing your soul for the very thing you’re trying to build that you think is going to fill the void you feel in it? Right? And I really wish for people to get to a place where their actions are being driven by the deepest parts of them, because that’s where fulfillment truly is right to feel full. And also, that’s the past right?

Samson:

How much do you actually need?

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

Right. Okay I’m achieving a more and more of but how much do you actually need.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

Right. The very nature of more and more and more and more that’s the question. Where is that actually coming from. Right. And again I’m a firm believer that everything in life like yeah there’s an opportunity to experience it. There’s an opportunity to, to like to to see what it feels like to touch it right. And bring it into physical form that live it and yet is it worth sacrificing your soul for it?

Samson:

This is a perfect example. If you’ve seen the video from Will Smith recently.

Emily Hirsh:

I don’t think so.

Samson:

Okay, so Will Smith. Okay.

Speaker 

Samson:

Maybe take a celebrity to say it for people to be like, oh, shit. So Will Smith, one of you know, the big, big names in the entertainment world, right? Recently was having a conversation on a podcast, and he was talking about how most people, right, when we refer to experiencing, you know, challenges or difficulties, you know, really relate to the rock bottom, right?

Samson:

Most of you, whether you have been there, whether you’re overweight and he said, but he learned something new. And I know this because I work with those people. Right. It’s like he called it the same feeling that you experience in rock bottom when you try to avoid your rock bottom is the same that you’re experiencing. He called it cliff top.

Samson:

So when you die and everything in the world materially materialistically possible, you can buy anything you want and you still feel empty.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

He said what he realized was he was looking for him. It was him. He was looking for.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah.

Samson:

And that’s what I found to be true. It’s us that we’re looking for.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah.

Samson:

If we’re not separate from the creator and we’re a part of the creator and really expression of the creator, and we’re creating the image of the creator, that means that the creator is also within us, right? So the creators within us.

Samson:

That means, of the creator, which is divine. The definition of divine is of God, right? We’ll call the creator of the creator of the source. So no matter what happens in my human experience, it’s godlike. But the moment our ego steps in, or it’s reflected back to us that any part of our nature is wrong or bad or horrible or unlovable, we are also not just rejecting us.

Samson:

We’re rejecting the God in us. And for a lot of time, people have an existential crisis because they think they need to think outside of them. Like say, you know, you’re looking for you. Yeah. And when you reconnect with you, you happen to find out, oh, shit. God’s been here the whole time. Yeah. Just waiting. Just waiting. Waiting for you to let yourself back into your.

Samson:

Your heart. So when we can recognize it and see that, that what normally would drive our behavior like we start to now explore what it’s like to maybe practice a different version of what that’s like. Because the truth is, there’s also a purpose of the version that you had. Right? Who’s to say that you didn’t set your life up in that way?

Samson:

It was just say that your soul didn’t do that.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah. Before you even came into this life. Yeah. That’s to.

Samson:

Say that. Okay, I like to say that the need for survival was also simultaneously the beginning of the soul’s journey to go learn what it had to learn.

Emily Hirsh:

I totally agree.

Samson:

Right? But a lot of times we say stuck in a long vacation, coming home sick, but afraid to come back because we’ve put too much priority in giving our power away to the fear of experiencing what’s been waiting for us.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

Right. The soul evolves through our human experience. And when we don’t feel which is human, when we don’t live, which is human, we are not evolving, we’re not growing, we’re not expanding, we’re not contracting, we’re not being it. We have a frickin playground. It doesn’t feel like it at times, but that that’s what it’s for. And when we can remember to touch the soil again.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

Maybe the need to recklessly or desperately achieve won’t fill the gap that we think is only possible of love by way of achieving the performing. So the entrepreneurs out there.

Samson:

This is just my perspective. I think the greatest work, the greatest business we can engage in. And offer the world. It’s one that comes from our true nature. Because our true nature only wants to serve. It wants to give.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

It wants to pour out why it’s here. Right. It wants to be a channel for God to use to be.

Speaker 

Okay.

Samson:

And we’ve given the power away to again a past that we have not reconciled with. Then we’re a slave to that. You know, someone said once and I think there’s some truth to it. He said, A lot of a lot of entrepreneurship is just repeating an expression. Trump. Right. That’s why I told you I love not just your rebranding but your shift in relationship to marketing, because the typical marketing world never really sat with me.

Samson:

This just my personal opinion. Because to have to manipulate somebody, what is that saying directly? If I have to manipulate you, I don’t care how much you. If I have to manipulate you to achieve. I’m. I’m already losing.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah, right. And so much of marketing is like, go outside of yourself and be this person. And I’m all like, amplify yourself and who you already are.

Samson:

When you are embodied and you’re connected to who you are. You can’t help but market because it’s felt. Yeah. It it.

Emily Hirsh:

Yes.

Samson:

This is not I wish this was like hearsay or I wish this was concept conceptual or theoretical. I’m living proof. I don’t market and still yet I think it’s just the way I’m, like, designed. Like the people I work with come through mediums like this and channels like through my network of relationships.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

Because of the work that I’ve done. Right. So yeah, I think we have to remember. And it’s not just us. Right. I also think the society that we’re living in reinforces and rewards that if a society’s built in survival and perpetual trauma and dysfunction, I mean, and you grow up in that, you’re going to be a product of that.

Samson:

So that’s how you’re going to know. So all of this is going to sound foreign.

Speaker 

Samson:

I think that’s for me for the longest struggle was oh I do chaos in the world because it is normal. So like shame on things would be quiet. Nope. Let’s up some chaos. Let’s shake some things up. This is you, right? Nope. And there’s something to be said about that. Something to be said about exploring the nature of not just why, but the condition of what it feels like to you.

Samson:

Like when you are selling, when you are communicating your message, when you were offering your product at surface service, what does it feel like? Do you get an ache in your stomach? Does something feel off and that is something to be explored about? That is like, is that fear because you’re afraid to show up or is that like something?

Samson:

Is that like a true disconnect? Right? I think when we start to ask ourselves these honest questions about how we do business, business changes. And the last thing I’ll say towards this is before an entrepreneur. Before your mom or dad, before you’re a teacher, before you are a Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or whatever it is before even your day, your human.

Samson:

And I think. We bought into this fallacy that we can separate of, oh, I can separate my business from my wife.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

You take your self with you.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

And how tiring is that to have to put on a different costume everywhere you go. Like I want to ask you for honest feedback. You’ve seen me on social media and you obviously know in person. Is there a difference.

Emily Hirsh:

Same version, same.

Samson:

You never the reality for.

Emily Hirsh:

Me.

Samson:

And I can tell you how tiring it was to have to act a certain way. Because. Why. Because I’m still enslaved to a past and a fear that is stemmed from self rejection. So that wants to not be rejected by other people. But if I recognize that if I bring love to that very part, if I bring. You know, the ability to hold that little boy that was afraid, right?

Samson:

And we parent him and be the dad that he never had then I’m not enslaved today. Well, now I can bring myself to everywhere. So I think the very nature thinking that we can separate who we are as humans from what we do is a fallacy. Right. It’s one of the biggest fallacies ever. And I think that is what’s causing so much more exhaustion in people, but not exhaustion.

Samson:

It’s not honest. Just call it what it is. It’s not honest.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah. It’s fake.

Samson:

It is not. If I have to be somewhere, someone different for you in business. And if I’m in a service based business, that means, like, I’m with you, and then I’m somewhere else at home. I’m lying to you. That is out of integrity.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

Right.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

So what if we worked on that. What if we worked on clearing. Maybe the static gets in the way of thinking that we have to compartmentalize ourselves to different aspects of our life and just bring the wholeness back to what is original, like what we are. And then we, we bring our whole self to our relationships, to our business, to our community, to CrossFit.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah.

Samson:

And what that takes its presence. It just takes it takes. The unapologetic, unfucking visible acceptance of who you are. Selfacceptance breeds the ability to walk fully as who you are. It’s everywhere you go and everyone you encounter.

Speaker 

Yeah.

Samson:

Yeah, we’re playing that. The game of what costume I put on today. And for me, that’s not the what I want to do. I don’t want to be that. I don’t want to be in those relationships. I don’t judge them. Not at all. Because I also know I was once the little boy in the adult body who could, who was scared of people seeing him.

Samson:

I was scared of people, judging by intensity. So I would give myself. I was scared of seeing what I meant because I was afraid I was going to hurt somebody. I was afraid of speaking the truth because last time I said what I meant, which was to my father and four years old, that if you leave, I’m going to hate you.

Samson:

He left. So I turned the lies that my words cause people to me. Why the hell would I say what I meant? No, I get how difficult it is. I get how challenging it is. And yet. There’s nothing more liberating than being able to have the ability to connect again. Because I think on a deeper level that’s what we’re here for.

Samson:

That’s what we’re longing for. This connection.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah, I totally agree. And all of this like, it’s why I’m so passionate at my retreats and my events is just bringing people back to themselves.

Emily Hirsh:

I think I’ve always been able to show up as the same version of me. I’ve actually I’ve actually gotten that feedback several times. But I think that, like, you’re the same person at CrossFit as you are on the podcast as you are here. But I think where I have been able to grow a lot is facing the versions of me that I couldn’t even be with.

Emily Hirsh:

And the more I could do that and then come back to myself in a whole way, then the more I could show up. Yes.

Samson:

It’s like you’re you’re removing the dam and you’re you’re allowing. Because the illusion is that what we’ve hindered or blocked is not us. That is also us, right? Right. We’ve just learned that by way of maybe our upbringing, or by way of our caregivers or society that we grew up in, that it’s wrong or it’s.

Emily Hirsh:

Way camera shut off. It overheated or it’s in the. I’m going to stop it. And we just have to pause for one second. Okay, cool. We’ve been going for like, over two hours, so. Oh, no. I mean, like, oh, you took all the space. Well, that’s actually an easier fix than recreating.

Unknown

Do you remember what you’re saying? No.

Emily Hirsh:

I’ll reset what I said, though.

Emily Hirsh:

It was basically the parts of you that.

Speaker 

You know. Know.

Unknown

So you’ll see.

Unknown

Funny and overheated and all that.

Unknown

What was that?

Samson:

How was I saying?

Emily Hirsh:

Actually, I can,

Unknown

I can play this and so on.

Emily Hirsh:

Bringing. So what I had just said was,

Emily Hirsh:

Facing the parts of me that I couldn’t even see. And then you were talking about how when you were a kid, you were reflected back, that you couldn’t be those, parts. So, I mean, you know, to say the exact same way, but what I had just said was, the more I’m willing to accept the parts of me that.

Samson:

Yeah. So, yeah, let’s, let’s say, like, you know, as a kid by way of your upbringing or your caregivers or society that you grew up in, you know, there was naturally a part of you that you you deemed unacceptable and unlovable, right? It’s bringing that back into the light. So you honor the hole that you were born as, that we were born whole, right?

Samson:

We were born whole. We’re born complete. And somewhere along the line, somewhere along the way, we forgot that right from one perspective, you can see that as the journey. It’s like you’re going on your own journey to go learn, to go figure out. You got to figure out. On the other hand, simultaneously, what happens is that you.

Samson:

Again, and this is usually based on not having the resources and the support around you. You stay stuck in that sense of survival, of a state of survival. And you see, stuck in the state of survival in the world becomes dangerous. So if the world is dangerous, do you feel safe in that world? No. Do you feel safe in yourself in that world?

Samson:

No. So what are you going to adopt? You’re going to adopt everything that can help mitigate as much risk as possible. But that still does not change how you view the world and how you view yourself in the world. So now becomes scanning for a danger and a threat most of the time, rather than developed in your resilience and capacity to walk into a room and have enough confidence and trust that, you know, knowing that you’re going to be okay.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

Right. And I think there’s a lot of factors that feed that. One being we’re in a very modern world with ancient nervous systems. So yeah you can relate to this. When we were growing up. I was growing up. I mean it was just the news and it was that age. Yeah. Is the limit or the the access to information we had was not as vast as it is today.

Samson:

And I just I missed the information because you could went to the library. Right. You still had the internet. It’s social media.

Emily Hirsh:

And the the pace of it.

Samson:

Yeah. Right. We only have access to maybe. A few hundred people at a time. Not even. Not even right. For, a good amount. I went to, yeah, I went to public school. It’s a high school with three thousand kids, so. Yeah, but I wasn’t. I didn’t know every student but my circle, my constellation was only a few people.

Samson:

My family, my community. Right. And then that was it. So you can mitigate and exchange not just energy, but you can manage the risk of who you let in and who you let have access to you and vice versa.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

Now it’s social media. I think we’re also not seeing that there’s also an energetic exchange right now when you share a picture or you share a video.

Samson:

Like the presence of you and I see one person like I could feel your presence here. And even though it’s online, we think that that’s different. It is a bit different. But it’s one person online, ten people, hundred people, a thousand people, one hundred thousand people, one million people in some, some cases, one hundred million people who have access energetically to you.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

Here’s the thing. You don’t know any of them or most of them. So now you have strangers.

Samson:

Who you don’t understand what their agenda is, who may be going through whatever projected energetic arrows on you.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

You see what I mean. So.

Samson:

It’s important. Right. That we can see and recognize that the idea of selfacceptance is so important. Because if we were to, you know, we buy into the world that we in, we have right now that only becomes more amplified. Right. Whereas who have access to me before, if I’ll be going through what I’m going through, I’m able to share it with them and we’re able to navigate together.

Samson:

So yeah.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah. Yeah. That’s such an I think we’re not meant to have as much to know, so much in like as much information and like all the things happening all over the world and the noise and the pace of it all. Yeah.

Samson:

I think there’s a need for it.

Emily Hirsh:

But yeah.

Samson:

Just our systems haven’t caught up yet.

Emily Hirsh:

No, not even close.

Samson:

It’s going to catch up for them. Yeah. Yeah.

Emily Hirsh:

Well, thank you so much. I feel like there will be another episode in the future.

Speaker 

Yeah.

Emily Hirsh:

I feel like I got a little bit of a session to.

Speaker 

Emily Hirsh:

If people want to learn more about you and see how you work with people, I mean, I definitely recommend Instagram DM. I’m like, go to feed you produce really deep and incredible content on Instagram. So definitely we’ll link to your Instagram. But anywhere else that you would like to send people. Okay.

Samson:

Yeah. As we, is something that I’ve been personally like working on this, like my ecosystem that that can serve people. So it’s a balance where it’s everything.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah. Amazing. Well, I can’t recommend working with you enough. I know I’ve said, like, a lot of people your way. I’m like.

Speaker 

Samson:.

Samson:

It’s been a pleasure. And, you know, because I’ve shared with you many times, I don’t take it lightly. You know, you and your family. So I appreciate you and your letting me and supporting you in a way that now puts you in a position to. Yeah, like offer your gift to the world, but also like, like pass it on.

Samson:

I’m meant to do. It’s like we’re not meant to afford it. I meant to receive it.

Emily Hirsh:

Samson:

And this is why the work is important. So you don’t it.

Emily Hirsh:

Yeah. And you’ll be at all my future events and retreats. So.

Speaker 

Yeah.

Emily Hirsh:

All right. Thank you so much for. Yay. So good. How do you feel.

Samson:

Good.