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She started from zero, with a baby on the way and no plan. After walking away from her old life and business, Nikki Norenberg found herself pregnant, starting over from $0, with an unexpected calling to bring a new healing modality into the world. 

To share it, she had to unravel—and rebuild from the most honest place she’d ever known. This isn’t a story of “how I scaled fast.” It’s a raw, honest conversation about what it really looks like to build a truly aligned business from the ground up.

Key Takeaways:

• How she built her business from $0
• Growing a business as a new mother
• How to create before you’re “ready”

Nikki Norenberg is the creator of The Embodyed Method, a movement-based healing modality designed to help you reconnect with your body, your creativity, and your truth. She leads live classes in Austin and offers guided movement practices for women all over the world. Follow Nikki on Instagram: @nikki.norenberg

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Emily: All right. We are live. Welcome to the podcast. Yay. 

Nikki: Thanks for having me.

Emily:  I’m so excited for this conversation. We already got started and I was like, okay, we need to pause. We need to start

Nikki: classic. It’s like you can’t, you open the floodgates. Yeah. And it just can’t stop.

Emily: All right. Well I would love to start with your story.

Mm-hmm. Which I’m excited ’cause I actually don’t. I don’t know your story. Like I’ve known you for a few years and I’m finding on these podcasts, I’m like learning so much about my friends. Yeah. I didn’t know any of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let’s start with a little bit of your story into entrepreneurship and then developing your, your brand now and your method Embodyed.

So this is gonna be so fun. So I know the alignment.

Nikki: Yeah. Yeah. I’m like trying to think about how I wanna talk about my story. ’cause I, I can go in so many different ways, but something I feel like that I’ve been sitting with that has just like been this massive undertone of my entire story as it comes to today.

1. Has been this constant return to my younger self. Um, she truly has been this muse, this light that I feel very grateful that I, I can like, feel her still. Um, she has been this voice that has constantly been in my head in all of these big pivotal like decisions and life moments that I’ll talk through in my story, but I just feel like that’s really important to call out because I think, you know, as we hear and reflect on people’s stories, we’re like, but how did you make that decision?

Or how did you know to do this? It’s like, I think that my younger self has truly been the voice that has been constantly telling me what’s next? Because, you know, we have this light, this brightness when we come into the world that I believe is like. Full and true, and it’s who we are before, like the world gets their hands on us.

And my younger self was so confident, so expressed, danced her like heart out everywhere and anywhere she could. And so she has been like my north star. Like when I was sitting in a cubicle at a corporate job that felt very misaligned. She was the one who was like, what are we doing here? Like, we always wanted to do our own thing.

Like why are we following like what everyone else is doing? And so then that like very quickly catapulted me to like leave a very well established life, a relationship, a dance company that I helped build. Um, and I left and moved to Los Angeles where I pursued professional dancing. And then she’s who whispered in my ear when she said, Hey, this does not feel good anymore.

Let’s move into wellness. And so then I like dropped into yoga and wellness and coaching, which I’ll get into. But then once I was in coaching, she was, who whispered in my ear saying, Hey, this is you. And we’re still missing movement. Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm. And so she’s like the one who’s been holding the pen, writing my story like this whole time.

And I feel like in the place that I’m in, I’m able to like bird’s eye view, look back and see that it was always her. It was always that full, pure, bright energy that was writing my story. Um, and so, you know, I wanna go back into my relationship with dance because that has been truly such a foundational part of where I’m at and what I’ve built.

My relationship with dance, um, was really expressive based. I feel, I feel lucky in that I. It didn’t get tarnished for me until my twenties when I took it professionally. Mm-hmm. Where I kind of feel like a lot of people have negative dance experiences in their youth. I actually kind of had quite the opposite.

I was very naturally gifted at dance and so it was, it felt like a second language to me. It was just me. I got to do it. It felt good. I got applause for it. I got praise, and it just like felt like this version of me I got to express and share with the world and share a gift. And then it wasn’t until I took dance professionally when I.

I felt all that toxicity I felt the energy that so many people talk about and so much of the language in dance, and I’m sure this is in other sports too, is not enoughness. And I just felt like, you know, whether it was comparison or the language or the auditions or the way that they check scanned your body, like there was so much not enoughness and I could slowly feel like cement was filling my body.

Every class I took, every audition I took and all of a sudden this thing that felt like this wild, expressive, free flowing thing was cement. And so dance just started to tarnish in my heart and I felt so heavy and sticky every time I walked into. Class or auditions. And so that is like what then veered me off into yoga and self-discovery because I was like, okay, dance has been literally my identity.

Like everybody has known me as like Nikki, the dancer my entire life. Who the hell am I without it? So this was a huge like pivotal part in my whole life because I got the experience of learning who I was without it. And I got to see the gifts and the things that had always been there under the surface that I didn’t give enough airtime to, ’cause I didn’t have space for it.

And so I just started unpacking, revisiting old things and like connecting to my younger self and traveling and being alone more. And like all these things where I kind of purposefully put myself on an island so that I had no outside noise telling me how to be. And I just like slowly started feeling myself, like coming back online.

And I was sharing this whole journey on social media and people started gravitating toward me being like, how do, how can I do this? Like, I feel like I’m living the wrong life. Like I’m waking up in a cubicle or in a relationship or in something that doesn’t feel like me. How can I find me again? And so that like very serendipitously, like unraveled this coaching career where I was supporting people in their self-discovery journey, helping them peel back the onion layers to find like the core of who they’ve always been, and find those really unique gifts that they could use for impact in the world.

And I loved it. Like I, I was like, oh my God, screw dance. Like this feels so good. It was just, it was such a different feeling. But then there also came a time when, again, that younger self voice like was whispering into my ear and she’s like, Hey, love. We’re still not in our bodies. We’re sitting behind a computer every day.

And although we’re serving, we’re in like heart space, purpose land. It’s not quite. The right lane. And so I, I went on this like very inspiration trip. I called to New York City and um, I was like, I need to just take as much class as possible. I need to just be in my body if I’ve been sedentary. I mean, I wasn’t sedentary, I was teaching yoga, but like not dancing per se.

So I got into a bunch of these different movement classes and there was this one class that I took that was dance based. It was more like a cardio dance class, but it was led by a dance teacher. And so it was like kind of healing certain parts for me. And I had this like massive cathartic cry release in the class and I feel like I cleared, like, physically something in that class.

And as I left the class. I had my, I had my, uh, headphones in. I was like walking through Chinatown. I remember it. And this like Mumford song came on and I’m not kidding. This is where I’m gonna get, woo. This is where I’m gonna get nice and woo. It is almost like the gates of my crown opened and a fully coated modality dropped into my body.

I like remember it as clear as day. I like could see the vision, I could feel the layers, I could feel the depth. And I went back to my, like hotel room and I wrote down the method that is embodied today.

Emily: Wow.

Nikki: Yes.

Emily: I didn’t know this.

Nikki: Yes. So it was like truly, almost like my life’s experience, my body, my energy, my.

Openness was just waiting for that clearing and all the things that needed to happen in my life for me to be ready to receive it.

Right.

Nikki: Because I, I feel and believe that Embodyed was always meant to be my, my, my mission. Like, like truly my mission. And so I feel like all of the parts of my life were perfectly orchestrated so that I could get to that place where I could finally receive it.

Emily: That’s amazing.

Nikki: Yeah.

Emily: How long ago was that?

Nikki: Right before I got pregnant with Sully. Yeah.

Emily: It wasn’t long. It was not that long ago. The Embodyed Method is new. Yeah. I remember talking about it and I had, we had dinner and I had just renamed the company and I don’t know if I’d announce it and told you, and you’re like, my method’s Embodyed.

Of

Nikki: course. Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it’s, it’s been really interesting because I feel like Embodyed the method is like truly an, it’s an entity, it’s an energy that isn’t me. Right. So much of what we just talked about with Joe, Dr. Joe Dispenza, is it’s like, it’s not about Nikki’s method. It’s like Embodyed is this entity that is meant to be shared with the world to support people and like remembering themselves that core sense of who they really are.

And I am just the vessel that it gets to come through.

Emily: Absolutely. Right. And I think, I mean that’s the goal I think for everybody is if you can find that, that’s purpose.

Yeah.

Emily: It’s like what, what you’re here to do in this life that is not about Emily Hirsh or Nikki. Right. Like the bigger thing. And I think what you’re saying is exactly how you get it.

It’s like you can’t, you can’t go on a step by step plan of how to get there. You’ve got to go on the journey Yeah. And, and, and the unknown and not know what that journey is. And like your journey led you right to that moment where you could put all those things together of

mm-hmm. The

Emily: dance background and your coaching and.

And be ready totally. At that moment before I ask you about the method, which I wanna obviously talk about, I know you talk a lot about connecting back with your child.

Mm-hmm.

Emily: And I remember seeing a video that you did and it was like something you could do to connect back to that child. I can’t remember exactly.

I’m which one exactly. You had one? I’m not sure, but I wanna talk about that because I think it’s so true. Yeah. It’s like when we are born, we are, we are full. Mm-hmm. We are whole, we are light. And, um, I, I talk a lot even in the sense of marketing of like, what are your gifts? Yeah. And what are you naturally good at?

What are your superpowers? And leveraging that in your marketing and how you attract other people. Mm-hmm. And I think, you know, in any industry, business, especially marketing, it’s like, no fit in my box and do what I did to make my business successful. And that’s what’s taught. Right. And like, take you away from what you’re naturally good at.

Mm-hmm. So I guess what, tell me more about connecting back to your yourself and do you think everybody has. That inner child who can guide you like you did, and they’re just disconnected from it, or, or do you think you are, you’re just really connected to that, that little girl, Nikki who was telling you, Hey, this isn’t it, you know?

And, and how can others find that connection if they don’t feel it right now?

Nikki: The inner child in general is a very complex. Place because there’s a lot of complexity in childhood, and everybody’s childhood is so different. And there’s, that’s also where like a lot of trauma is sourced. And I think so much of like inner child work that we hear about today is more of like the quote unquote, like wounded inner child, like where all of the major traumas happened.

And so I think we kind of forget about like the magic inner child, which is what I talk about a lot in my, my coaching work especially, is like the, the essence of the free, expressive, creative, like that inner artist that we all are. But I think that a lot of people, depending on what your childhood was like or what your relationship with it was like, some people have like very easy access to it and some people have a very blocked access.

And so I just wanna acknowledge like for people that have a, a much more blocked access, first and foremost, like this is where therapy is very important, where you can get support specifically to receive, uh, the, the nourishment that that version of yourself needs so that maybe behind it you can experience the glimmer.

Um, but I also think that generally speaking, it’s about finding the energy of the inner child. And so maybe through a backdoor, instead of going like, who was she? If it’s hard to find, if it’s hard to find them, um, go in the backdoor of like, what does a child like to do? Like I was just talking to one of the girls in my teacher training and she has a really hard time accessing joy.

And I’m like, I want you to find the tallest hill possible and I want you to literally roll down it five times. And like, it sounds so cheesy and silly, but I’m like, if you bring the energy of play and joy into your body, whatever that looks like for you, it’s gonna invite that energy back in. And whether it’s a remembrance, it’s at least an experience that you can remember.

You know what I mean? Yeah. So that’s like foundational tactically. There’s a couple things that I really love to do specifically to like uncover the gift or the magic. Number one is what did everyone or anyone know you for or come to you for? It’s like, I was always dancing everywhere. I was always trying to teach my friends something new.

Like truly. I was like, oh, I just learned this thing. Can I teach you? Oh, do you wanna make up a dance? Like, I was always trying to get people into their bodies, replicate to them, like the joy that I was feeling, expressing, performing like I was that girl. Um, and so thinking about like, you know, other sentiments, like some people were the nurturer or the one that like mediated or the one that was always like the therapist friend.

It’s like, what if, what if people like. Always come to you for, it doesn’t have to necessarily just be in that younger part, um, but maybe even in like, some of adolescence. But it’s that repetitive, like what has been my thing and, and, and maybe beyond like what other people have connected to you, but like what did you constantly wanna keep doing, right?

Beyond the desire of, of your gift. It’s like what felt good for you to keep doing? Did you wanna go write poetry in the corner? Did you wanna go read in the corner? And it doesn’t mean like I should be an author. It’s just like, but what, what was it about that that made me feel so me? Right. Um, and then, you know, I had a lot of my coaching clients do this activity that actually my dad did for me that was really, really sweet.

He gathered all of these like old, like accolades and papers and projects that he hung onto some, some people’s family don’t hold onto this. And he like circled all of the key, the things that kept coming up. It was like a letter of recommendation. It was like a project, it was a paper I had written and he kept, he circled like all of the key things that kept showing up.

And so it’s really about finding the key themes.

Emily: I love that. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that’s something I say is for people to think about, you know, what would people say, oh, you’re naturally good at, yeah. Or you love doing as a kid. And it, and like you said, it doesn’t mean, oh, you have to be an author, but it’s like, okay, how is that relevant in today?

Mm-hmm. And I think oftentimes we are still chasing that thing that we, we felt so aligned with as a kid. Yeah. Like, we wanna, we wanna be back there. Yeah. And the more you can tune into that in your business, in your life. Yeah. And do you know how much happier adults would be if they just played like kids A little bit more

Nikki: truly.

Emily: Like really? We just take everything so serious, myself included, you know, in seasons where I’m like, it’s not that serious. Yes. Like this, the point of this is to have fun.

Nikki: Well, I think that’s like the beauty of being a parent is like we’re getting a second chance to like, are you gonna, are you gonna engage and play with your kid or are you gonna sit off to the side?

Are you gonna numb out on your phone while he’s at the park? Are you gonna go down the fricking slide with him? Like, I’m always like asking myself that. I’m like, do I need to be this adult or can I engage even more so that I can invite that feeling back in? ’cause that’s what it’s really all about, is like kids give us kind of a second chance to be kids if we let ourselves.

Emily: For sure. I think dads have an easier time with this. Sure. Have you

Nikki: recognize that?

Emily: Yeah. Like my husband can just go right in. I mean, he is the, the play run around the house. And I see that a lot with dads, but for some reason, well women take on the like. I’m in charge of the schedule and the bedtimes and the meals.

Mm-hmm. And then lose that.

Mm-hmm.

Emily: And I think a little bit like that is our role. Mm-hmm. Naturally. Mm-hmm. We’re good at that. But I mean, it, I had a hard time playing with my kids in the beginning and I had to find a way that I would wanna play with them because I can’t be the Lego guy. Like, Hey, you know?

Yeah. My mommy. Yeah, totally. I can’t, I can’t do the Barbies and the Legos. Yeah.

Um, yeah.

Emily: But I can play at the park. I can, I can run around. Yeah. Yeah. So finding, not also forcing yourself to do like the Lego plays. I don’t know if you have a hard time. Well, so is still young. He’s still young. Like, once he gets to like the pretend guy play.

Yeah. And then they also are like, no, you have to do it this way. You have to say this exact thing.

Nikki: See, I think I would love that. I’d be like, like when I read him stories,

Nikki: I am like a full on, like, like puppet show. Like it’s, it’s, I enjoy that part. I feel like Gunther is more of the physical.

Yeah.

Nikki: In the play, in the play sense.

But I think that that’s also such a good point. Even when connecting to your inner child is like finding the play lane that speaks to you if it’s imaginative, if it’s physical, that’s really important.

Emily: Yeah. You’re making me think. When I was a kid, I used to play teacher. Oh yeah. And so I see that and now I’m like teaching webinars.

But I would have our, our, my neighbor, she was like three years younger than me and we’d play all the time. But I’d force her into like a full school day, like, like seven hours with like homework. Oh my gosh. And I, I’ve had a whiteboard in my room and I like teach and give her homework. It’s funny ’cause I’m in a way te I’m, I’m teaching today.

Yeah. And leading in that way. And I loved that. But, and I think that that really is

Nikki: when you, when you look back, it’s like. I mean, our purpose is written in our soul. And there should be a clue of your childhood self in your adult self if you’re in alignment, I believe. And if it’s not, then that might be a sign to like to re reassess because so much of life is like giving us these micro deviations away from ourselves to follow society.

Right. And I think that like even when we, when I think about movement, and I don’t remember if I already said this, but like every single child moves and expresses through their body, through play, running, dancing, every kid dances and like expresses through their body with such ease. And then we put kids in sports and we put kids in art forms that.

Are great. They’re more discipline based, which have their greatness. Yeah, more structure. But that’s also the moment that the magic of movement dies because it creates a conditional relationship where you are trying to now put your movement in a specific box to look a specific way, to reach a specific goal.

And then that’s what movement becomes for the rest of your life. This conditional relationship when there are benefits, obviously of disciplined movement and you know, working out and, and getting physical results is an important part of our process and we lose the movement to express and free, feel free very quickly.

And so that is like part of the, the nature of Embodyed and why so much of like the inner child stuff is so alive and, and all of my work is because coming back into our body to express and to feel without needing a result or a condition around it is so important.

Emily: I think that that’s, yeah, really important piece.

And I think. When I was growing up, I went quickly into structured sports. Yeah. For sure. And I’ve had to kind of unlearn that through dance the last mm-hmm. Few years. Because I think, I think dance is probably one of the best ways to allow yourself to have unstructured Yeah. Movement. And that’s a, a good thing to keep in mind with kids too.

Mm-hmm. Because they do naturally do it. Yeah. And then you tell them, oh, we’re gonna go for this goal. We’re going, you know, my kids are in soccer, jiu-jitsu, all of it’s structured. Yeah. I wanted to talk about before we move on, um, you know, finding this, connecting back to your purpose as it relates to mm-hmm.

You as a child. And I think if I was listening to this like a couple years ago, I’d be like, I need, I need the steps. And so I wanna say that you’re not gonna find it when you’re looking for it. Right. Very like in like, I need to find my purpose. It has to come through. Trusting the unknown a little bit, and like your experience, I mean, you weren’t like walking, you know, through New York going like, all right, I need, I need my next thing to drop in right now.

Like, give it to me. It always, anytime I’ve had such a profound code or mm-hmm. Intuition or hit drop in, it’s, it’s always when you don’t expect it.

Nikki: For sure.

Emily: Always. And so you can’t make it this like, I have to find this like, and white knuckle it and grip onto it and I just know I would’ve done that.

Mm-hmm.

Like,

Emily: I would’ve listened to this and been like, well that sounds really cool.

Mm-hmm.

Emily: I want to have this code, this method drop in. Yeah. And so I’m gonna chase that. And, and the point is, it’s found through connecting back to yourself and the energy of the child and being present and being in alignment.

And so if you make the goal to be the process mm-hmm. Of. Connection with yourself. Yes. And that energy, you will end up having more clarity Sure. Around that purpose. And Yeah. I think, I think it’s easy to get, we’re so goal oriented, especially entrepreneurs and humans. Yeah. And so it’s like, okay, we make the goal, like I’ve gotta find my purpose and you will never find this bigger purpose or whatever you’re looking for by focusing on that.

Right. And it’s counterintuitive, but the journey and the process of just kind of trusting that you’re on the right path. Mm-hmm. And it’s the alignment with yourself. It’s why I say the truth is within and, and you have the, you already have the answer

for sure. Like

Emily: you that that answer for the Embodyed Method is probably was probably waiting for a long time.

Yeah. Yeah. It’s been there. It’s already there For sure. It’s just you had to, you had to have those experience and connect back to it and be open enough for it.

Nikki: Because I think so much of our lives were conditioned for things to. To tell us who we are that are outside of us. And so it’s easy to look out and try to find it through others and doing and things.

But I think that, like what I’ve learned is that yes, it’s like it’s coming back to the self, but it’s like turning up the noise because when you create this like frequency inside of you of alignment, let’s say, or like of really feeling your true self, that’s when you start to feel the deviation and then be able to say, that doesn’t feel good.

How can I come back to myself? And then you start getting more precise with your decisions, even down to the micro level of like, coffee doesn’t feel good in my system anymore. I need to like try to sub it out. But I think that most importantly, it’s like this curiosity of always coming back to the sense of the fe.

It’s a, it’s a feeling, it’s feeling based. Everything is feeling based. And so that’s why getting into movement and play and like getting into things that you’re actually physically feeling or so important because that is. The, the anchor of, of every micro decision that you make that makes your life right.

Mm-hmm.

Nikki: So I think that turning up the noise of your, of your inner, of your inner light, your inner magnet is what is going to, is what’s gonna support you in making those, those tiny little, little shifts. Because it’s not big moves per se, it’s a lot of micro movements and

Emily: yeah, the consistency of making it a daily.

Honestly like messy practice. Like you’re not going to just overnight be like, well I’m very connected to myself now. Totally. You know, it’s like there’s a lot of undoing and Yeah. Like frustration that can come up with it and, oh, this isn’t working. Mm-hmm. And the more I can remember that is, that is literally the point.

Mm-hmm.

Emily: Um, as we were talking about, I just came off the DISPENSA meditations and the week long and in the beginning I was like, well, yeah, I suck at meditation and Yeah. I’m not doing it right ’cause I’m getting distracted. Mm-hmm. And I’m zoning out. And then I was like, no, that is the point. Mm-hmm. Like even the masters are going to zone out and think about random things and it’s like the how fast can you come back?

Mm-hmm.

Emily: And training yourself and that it’s just like appreciating the process and the journey is. Is everything.

Nikki: Yeah. And being curious, like trying things on, trying on, like, even for you, like your, your typical state is to wanna achieve. And so trying on what would it feel like to just allow the meditation to actually like work for me?

Mm-hmm. You know,

Nikki: being curious. I think curiosity is also very like inner child related, but is one of the things that actually allows for us to find that alignment at all.

Emily: Yeah. And I mean, letting go of the judgment too. Yeah. Because you, in order to be curious, you’re letting go of a concept of right and wrong.

Mm-hmm. And you’re going, okay, what if, what if there was no right and wrong? And I just sat in this, played with this, saw what happened, and I think that’s easier for some than others. I think that that’s probably easier for you. I, I, I get that like, you’re good at being curious and like, what if, and I’m like, I need, I need to do it.

Right. Right. Yeah. And I’ve done a lot of undoing on that, but even Yeah. Going into meditations or work somatic work, it’s like I wanna give the right answer. It’s just so programmed in me. Mm-hmm. And so, mm-hmm. The acceptance without judgment is kind of that first totally step and then you can Yeah. Do that.

Alright, let’s talk about the method Embodyed.

Nikki: What do you wanna hear?

Emily: Let’s hear it first. Yeah, yeah. Just gimme an overview of it.

Nikki: Yeah. So it’s a map, map based movement class, and it’s all rooted in contemporary dance. So by nature the movement is very fluid, it’s very heart opening, it’s very expressive and it’s meant to be emotive.

So a lot of fitness and movement is very structural, very linear. And so this is getting people to move differently, not only to experience themselves differently, to put, to also get into like different tissues, different muscles, which is where stuck emotions and stuck like things live. And so really meant to invite people into a full spectrum human experience because we go into the depths where we, like a lot of people cry, especially the first time they take the class.

We are also like activating this empowered. Female inside that just wants to like crush it. And then we’re also like shaking our ass and having a dance party. So it’s like honoring the full spectrum human and it not being about, I need to learn the moves. I need to look like you. How can I be on the beat?

And more about how do you wanna move? Um, and I think that that’s a really important piece is it’s a, it’s a remembering. It’s not a learning, it’s a remembering. It’s a remembering of who you are. Remembering how to move like you and witnessing when you’re trying to deviate and be like somebody else and be like, this doesn’t feel like me.

Okay, so then shift it. And so I, there’s so much permission in the modality. I’m providing a structure, I’m providing a journey, but nothing has to be followed. Everything gets to be an offering.

Emily: Mm-hmm. I love that.

Nikki: Yeah.

Emily: And yeah, and I’ve been able to take, I don’t know if I’ve taken a full class or not. If you consider it, it’s a little micro.

Yeah, it was a micro, I need to go to a full class. Yeah. Yeah. So basically a dance class, but a very specific, unique method that you’ve created.

Mm-hmm.

Emily: And before we were talking, we’re gonna talk about that conversation we were having. But you were saying you take, like, you start with this and then you take people through this next piece.

Will you talk to that a little bit?

Nikki: Yeah. So I wanna also just like share, I. It’s a full blown, like full body experience. But I don’t like calling it like a workout because that’s not why people come to the class. Like, I want people to leave being like, oh, I, I feel like myself again. I don’t want them to be like, oh, I sweat so hard, I burn so many cows.

That’s not the point. Right? So this is a full self-discovery experience through way of movement. And I really bring them on the ground and we like arrive, we orient, we get present. We slowly build the structure so that people can feel safe to explore movement that may feel familiar or unfamiliar. And then we start getting into the heart and we start like slowly titrating ourself into some bigger, more expressive movements.

We take our time, we’re opening the heart space, we’re getting fluid energy and just like inviting a new way of being in that automatically is laced with a letting go. ’cause you can’t be fluid without letting go. Mm-hmm. So. We build the energy and then we build some strength and grounding and we get some repetition and rhythmic things going.

So people are kind of like dropping into a pocket. They’re finally starting to get out of their head. They’re finally like, oh, I can feel this. Like, oh, we’re repeating this over and over. Oh, I can kind of sink in a little bit more. So building the confidence in the person to say like, yeah, you can do this.

And then we work our way up to the peak, which is the flush, and it’s essentially two movements. We just repeat over and over to a really powerful song and it just automatically just like shakes shit up. It brings things to the surface, it clears energy, and it just allows people to really, truly feel this like aliveness.

And after we flush, I stand them in stillness so that they can truly just like savor the aliveness that they’re feeling and we so quickly move out of discomfort. And for them to just like sit in the humanness of, of who they are, it just feels like. Every single layer or should, or, you know, pressure just falls off their body in that moment because they’re so connected with themselves.

And then from that point forward, we’re like integrating that energy through, you know, a variety of different movements and, and structures. And then we kind of end with a celebratory dance party that’s a little bit more of a free for all, and everybody just gets to truly celebrate. Like, all that came up for them, all of the versions of themselves and all of the people in the room that are sharing this experience because everybody is having their own profound experience because other people in the room are allowing themselves to go there too.

And so the journey is clearly fruitful. Um, but it’s, it’s a really, and it’s different for everybody every time. You know, it’s kind of like you show up as a different version of yourself, so you get to move through whatever wants to come through you. It doesn’t need to be prescribed, just gets to b.

Because the body is always waiting for you to like give it the mic.

Emily: I mean, ultimately it’s like everything we’ve talked about up until this point of connecting back to yourself. Yeah. And that inner child, it’s like you’ve created a method to be able to do that. Yeah. And get outta your head and into your body.

That is a mix of like. Dance meditation. Yeah. I, I love it. It’s amazing.

Yeah. Yeah.

Emily: So tell me, tell me about the process of like bringing this to life as an entrepreneur. You had, like the coaching business. Mm-hmm. Obviously that’s a pivot.

Mm-hmm.

Emily: And I know we knew each other during then, and you guys, like, I saw your posts the other day too.

Like both you and Gunther pivoted at the same time. Had a kid. Of course it happens that way. Yeah. I’m like, go fire hose. But what was it like, like, so you, you had the download to bring this to life. Yeah. And it was so clear. What was it like to bring it to life? Like, and actually choose like, I’m gonna host my first class, or what did that look like?

Nikki: Well, so what’s really interesting is like, I got pregnant like one week after, of course. So I was pregnant with new idea, pregnant with life. So I had like all of this creator energy, um, alive in me. And I think that the thread and the through line of Embodyed being such a. Different version of the work I was already doing with coaching was what made it feel like such a easeful transition because it’s still self discovery, it’s still like the undertone of reconnecting to yourself just through way of movement.

And so that part of the transition of like kind of the brand, if you will, and what people online knew me as was pretty seamless. I think that, um, I also had been teaching yoga for seven years and then I taught and choreographed dance for 10 prior to that. So it was really just kind of like a blend of all the different hats and identities that I have worn, but now just falling all under one umbrella.

And I was still coaching when I built it, but I just started like hosting classes and I’m just like thinking back to like the first handful of classes that I took, like that I taught in these studios that had terrible sound and like I had no mic and like it has seen many iterations. Um, from an experience standpoint, but I think that that is, that is the thing that I recognize the most is like the modality has pretty much stayed true, but the experience that surrounds it is what’s really important.

So I’m in a studio right now where it’s like, it has cool lighting, I have a mic, it feels like a container. So that is like also a really big part of the experience is the container that it gets set in. And so I just honestly had to like, try it on in a lot of different locations and see how it fit. And then, um, I’m also in the process of developing an app because I tried on, again, I got curious truly this last summer.

I was like, I wonder what it would be like if I created a moving meditation audio file. So like a daily practice, people are putting their headphones on and it’s like a 10 minute thing. I teach them some repetitive movements. I play some kick ass music and give them a guided journey. While they’re repeating the movement.

And so I created a mini program around it, which very similarly tied into like, you know, my coaching business and people loved it. And I was like, oh, this is cool. So this is a new arm of the Embodyed mission is it gets to not just be a class experience, it gets to be like a literal lifestyle, like a practice.

And so I’ve been also developing this moving meditation app on the side as well. And I feel like, you know, combining my course creation skills and my coaching skills, like it’s just very seamlessly fallen into place, just taking different form, if that makes sense. Yeah.

Emily: And now you can reach a lot more people than limited to in-person classes.

This is why I wanted to know this story because of course, you know, when that idea dropped in, it’s not like you had the plan of how it’s gonna roll out. Yeah. And like that’s the key is that you had the, the courage really is what it takes. And some people have that more naturally than others, but I think.

You got the message of it and you’re like, I have to bring this. Right. Yeah. To, to life. And that required you pivoting mm-hmm. A business. Mm-hmm. Obviously a lot of unknown. Yeah. From financial to like, well, you know, is how will this work and mm-hmm. How well will it work? And then learned through just doing it like Yeah.

Through the, the messy first handful of classes where like literally the only way that you could have learned, oh, I wanna have it in a studio with this lighting. Mm-hmm. And with this mic is through the experience of doing it. Totally. And I try, I, I think that’s just so important for entrepreneurs to understand is you can have a vision of.

I wanna bring this method to life or have this impact and have, but, but you will not have the manual on how to do it. All you have to know is the next step. Right. And the beginning of it is going to be humbling.

Mm-hmm.

Emily: Like even when I brought this podcast and, and even now, it’s like there’s improvements can be made, but like the first episode, you know, my camera’s like overheating.

Sure, sure. Shutting off in the middle of the interview and there’s just different things and the, you just gotta walk through the, the mess of it and cut. It’s humbling. Yes. ’cause your ego’s like, oh, like, you know, embarrassed about something or that didn’t go as well. And the reality as most people don’t care mm-hmm.

Nearly as much as you do about it. But I just think highlighting that journey is, is so important because you were willing to go, I have the idea. I don’t know what it looks like to fully bring it to life. Yeah. And who’s to say in a year, like a year, two years from now, what it’s gonna look like? Yeah, it’s gonna evolve.

You’re gonna get the feedback, the ideas, the curiosity, and it. Going to continue to evolve and grow. And the feedback from your mm-hmm. Customers taking it and what they want and what they like. And again, back to like committed to the process with an intention and a vision Yes. Of your impact, but not being tied to everything being perfect to take the next step or even needing to know the next 10 steps.

You just need the next one or two.

Nikki: Yeah. And I just had like a really empowering come to Jesus moment with, with my app company where I was trying to really have everything perfect for my app in its first launch. I wanted like a gorgeous, very on brand like photo shoot and video. And I wanted like all these like custom coding and all this stuff.

And, um, I had like a health thing this year that really bumped. I thought I was gonna launch my app in March. It is now May. So, um, I, I’m just like trying to come to terms with like a V one. It is gonna be fine as a V one, get the product out there, get reactions and responses. You can always make better, you can always tweak, you can always revise.

And I kind of feel like that has been a really big point for me in this pivot. And I’m learning an entirely new like business model. Like coaching is very high ticket. I’m building an app and a class that is very low ticket. So trying to understand just like the structure is a lot of trial and error and a lot of trust and a lot of trying things on and seeing if they work or fail, right?

Like I’m even in the process of doing a teacher training right now and I’ve had some people in other states who may wanna license my brand. So I’m getting offered these opportunities of business expansion that I’ve never touched. But I’m also just like trying to be curious about how it can work without losing the integrity of the brand too quickly.

Yeah, right. There’s that balance of like. Wanting it to be good but not perfect.

Emily: Mm-hmm. Does that make sense? Yeah. And it’s a fine line. I feel like you, you know, you, you, you walk that and, and I think the more your brand grows, the more you want the first thing to be

good. Right? Totally. Like when

Emily: I launched this video podcast, it’s like, I’ve done 700 episodes, so it had to be good enough for me.

Yeah, totally. You know, to launch it, but, but not perfect. Yeah. And, and, you know, making those decisions. I think it comes back to coming back to yourself and then going, all right, where is this coming from? If I am feeling like it’s not perfect enough to launch, is it my ego? Or like, yeah, really, if I do launch this, is it gonna be a good product?

Right. And people are going to get the end result that I’m promising and probably not even notice the things that I’m noticing. Right. So I’m so close to it. And there, there’s just such a, I, I’m like. Again off the Dispenza event. So I’m like still the unknown, right? Yes. There’s like such a beauty in that.

Yeah. That I wanna point out because you didn’t know when you got that idea, which how old solely one 18 months, right? Yeah. So, okay. Less than two years ago, right? Yeah. Or little over. Yeah. About two years ago that you got the idea, you didn’t have the idea and go, I’m gonna have classes in Austin, teacher training and an app and all these things.

None of those could have come to you if you weren’t open to the possibilities. Yes. And not so tied to this is exactly how it has to go. And I’m speaking from the old me, especially three, four years ago, oftentimes would become, let’s white knuckle it exactly how I think it should go.

Hmm.

Emily: And when you do that, you miss so much possibility.

Nikki: Yeah. Of

Emily: the unknown. Yeah.

Nikki: And I feel like as I’m reflecting none of. All of my greatest points in my life have not happened by planning them or thinking about them first.

Emily: And I think that is how it happens. The unknown has never lets you down.

Nikki: Like, I had no idea I was gonna move to LA until a month before I did.

You know? It’s like, I think, you know, a lot of things with like five year plans and vision, well not vision boards per se, but like manifest specific manifestations. I’m like, the magic is, is is really becoming that aligned center and just making most of your decisions and moves and conversations come from that place and then it comes to you.

Mm-hmm. Because I feel like sometimes there’s, God, this is maybe a biblical thing, but Gunther told me this story. I think it’s from the Bible where. Someone’s in a boat and he’s like asking God to be saved. And he sends him a, a, like a, a lifeboat. He sends him a rat. Like he sends him all these things and then he ends up dying and he’s like, God, what the hell?

Like, he’s like, I sent you five opportunities. And he’s like, well, oh, I thought it was gonna look like this. Yeah. And so I think that that oftentimes is life is like, we think life is gonna deliver us the miracle or the gift in a certain way. And it looks completely different. And every time

Emily: I think it looks completely different every time.

Like ne never does it happen how we think it does.

Nikki: Exactly.

Emily: Because we can’t perceive most of what’s happening around us. And, and know that, that’s so funny. They told that story at the event last week. Oh, did they? Yeah. They used it as an example to someone’s question was like, I love it. You have to focus on the, the feeling that you’re trying to get to, right?

Yes. Like that’s your intention. That’s what you’re trying to manifest, whatever you wanna call it. If you move to. It has to happen on this date and this way.

Nikki: Mm-hmm. That’s the known Totally.

Emily: That’s the 3D. That’s what you wanna get out of, because that’s not where the magic happens. And it’s, I mean, it’s a practice because the reality is our brain wants the known, it’s wired for predictability.

It’s wired to be like, I need to know the time, the day, like the steps. And it’s just such a, a beautiful practice to trust that.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Emily: To trust, trust the unknown, and actually start to be like, I’m so excited to not know.

Nikki: Yeah. Yeah. Well I think that the undertone of all of that, why we crave known is because what really craving is safety.

And so I think it’s finding safety in ourselves instead of it always having to be from achievement where we can actually like find the safety inside, inside to actually be able to receive the unknown. ’cause I think when people have a disconnect from like, oh, I, but the unknown, like, I, I need the control.

It’s because they don’t feel safe somewhere. So I feel like that’s like step one is really understanding like where do you not feel safe and why? And how can you feel safe in your own body, in your own life so that you can open up your trust muscle.

Emily: Mm-hmm.

Nikki: Right?

Emily: Which I think also ultimately having a connection to whatever you call it, God, universe, source, creates the safety.

’cause you realize, oh, I’m not all, I’m not on my own.

Nikki: Amen.

Emily: Like I’m not, I don’t have to do this all by myself.

Nikki: So true. I’ve

Emily: never had to do it all by myself. Mm-hmm. Like silly human doing all the heavy lifting. What was I thinking? Why are you making it so hard? Yeah,

Nikki: seriously. You’ve got

Emily: it wrong.

Nikki: Yes, yes.

That’s so true. You’re not alone because it can feel really isolating, especially in just like the sticky, pivotal transitions of life. You can feel really like, why am I experiencing this? I feel like so isolated. Like I even felt that way a little bit in my motherhood journey. Like I had so many friends who had babies around me.

And I was like the only one that had a really traumatic entrance into motherhood with my birth and just like my postpartum experience. And I just felt like isolated in this group of people because it was such a different environment. I was like, why am I not feeling this way? And then I was like, I need to find my safety and my connection and myself to feel supported, not necessarily directly from these people, but from up above.

I need to feel like, oh, God’s got me. I’m safe in this container because something in this is really healing for me. You know?

Emily: Yeah. I wanna talk about motherhood, so maybe we’ll segue, let’s dig in, segue into that. Yeah. Um, yeah, what, what would you like to share just on your journey? You’re, you’re so great at content and so I love your vulnerable, like really great shares that you share on social media, and I know you’ve been open about your.

Journey to motherhood. Yeah, I think that’s a gift of yours. Like you’re talking about your coaching business, you shared your journey of like finding yourself. Yeah. And like pulling those lessons. That’s definitely something you do really well. So how was the experience? Yeah. Into motherhood?

Nikki: Rocked my world.

Straight up.

Nikki: Uh, you know, I think some people like have this very maternal nurturing, like I’ve always wanted to be a mom energy. And I think that the transition from not being a mom to being a mom is a little bit more seamless. And I feel like I wanted nothing to do with children. I specifically taught teenagers dance.

I didn’t wanna teach kids, I didn’t babysit. I wanted to be around like my age group or older. Like I wanted to just stay in that lane. Children to me felt like, whoa, y’all like this feels crazy. And my sister was always the child whisperer, so I was like, you’ve got this. And so I feel like, you know, although my sister has three kids and I’ve spent a ton of time with them, like I’ve never, I mean, being a parent and being an aunt is very different for sure.

So when I had my son, I just felt, I mean, beyond, I had like a lot of, I lost a lot of blood in my birth and then my son didn’t sleep for a year. So like all of my levels were very low. I was operating off of like true empty and a fried nervous system for the entire first year, while also being like, I’m in kindergarten of learning how to mother.

Like, I think that certain parts of motherhood feel very natural. Like, I obviously like the love, but there’s a lot of it that I literally felt like I was in school. I was like, I don’t know what the hell to do. I’m supposed to trust myself. I’m supposed to follow my intuition. My body is rocked. I can’t find that.

I don’t know what to do. There’s so many different things out there. So I feel like the first year felt so messy. Like truly so messy and and challenging. And I remember being with one of my girlfriends and she was like, oh man, this has been the best year of my life. And I was like, well, this has been the hardest year of my life.

Did you say that or did you just go I told her later. Yeah, because I had to like process her saying that. And I honestly felt so much shame and guilt. And then I just was like, she also had her own trauma. She had hard time getting pregnant.

Mm-hmm. I

Nikki: think everybody gets handed difficulty in parenthood somehow.

It just looks different. And mine was really like. Postpartum, my first year postpartum rocked me. And I think that it was so important though, for me to feel messy and for me to like learn from the ground up how to mother and, and it feel unnatural and it feel rocky because I feel like where I stand today, like I feel so anchored in and who my son is and who I am as a mom.

And like the trust was so, it was, it was built, it doesn’t, it didn’t just snap for me overnight. Like it was truly a built muscle of learning how to be a mother of healing my nervous system of learning to trust myself and getting rid of the comparison. So I feel like a breath of fresh air right now in my life because I had to go through that.

But it was such a necessary growth because it also like bled out into so much else in my life. It got me so clear on what was a hell no. And a hell yes in my life in so many ways. And it forced me to get so laser focused with my time. ’cause I’m like, I wanna be a present mom, so I’m gonna be present with my son and then I’m gonna have containers where I do my work and then I’m gonna have containers where I pour into myself.

And it’s like, it just forced me to really grow up.

Emily: Yeah. And I

Nikki: know you know that.

Emily: Yeah, for sure. On the time. It’s like once you have kids, you, you’re like, well, what did I do before with all my

Nikki: dad? Literally embarrassing. Yeah. I’m like, who did you think you were? Yeah. You could have built four companies.

Right. It’s just

Emily: the perspective of once, once you have to be like, I, I only have this window to work. Yeah. You somehow get it done in that time. Yeah. And you’re, you’re so much more focused and like you said, you know your priorities and know what the hell yes. What the hell no. And what you can and can’t do.

Yeah.

Emily: And it, it is a gift. I think kids, I. I think there’s a reason I had kids so young. Mm-hmm. And I think one of those, obviously there is a reason, but I think one of those reasons is that it, it instantly had me build a business that had some sort of balance to it. Right. Like, ’cause if I didn’t have kids, I probably would’ve just worked the 12, 14 hour days.

’cause I loved working. Totally. Why not? And it, and it allowed me to have other values to build the business around and my time. Mm-hmm.

And

Emily: I don’t think, I definitely wouldn’t have done that before

Nikki: having

Nikki: this. For sure. For sure.

Emily: Did you struggle with the, the loss of freedom after having solely Yeah.

Nikki: I, I did.

And I think that, I mean, we live away from family, right? So we have had to hire any sort of help and support. Um, but I think that it wasn’t until like I got, we got a nanny that, like, I started to feel this like. Oh, I have a little bit more time. Like I just get to look at it differently. I think from a freedom perspective, I definitely have moments where I’m like, I wish we would’ve traveled the world.

I wish we would’ve done all this stuff. But I think that there is such a beauty in the season that we’re in, and I think that finding ways to include him in certain things or finding ways to receive support for certain things, it’s just like a perspective thing. ’cause I’m like. If I really sit and think about, you know, how complicated things are, it’s just gonna make me feel bad.

And so I’ve always really tried to frame it as like, can he be included or can we pivot or can we get support because this is life for like the next 18 years. And, um, I think it’s also really beautiful to be able to bring your kids into experiences even when they’re not gonna remember it, because it’s a different kind of special for you as a parent to receive them in an adventure that you take them on, you know?

Emily: Yeah. And that’s the, the concept I think of like, having it all, like you, you don’t have to give up. I mean, sure things might look different, but you don’t have to give up who you are when you become a parent. And when I was, you know, 19 and pregnant, people would be like, oh, you’ll never travel, you won’t have any experiences.

And I was like, why? Mm-hmm. Like, what if I wanna travel? Mm-hmm. And so we brought. Ollie when he was 18 months, that was my first, uh, to Europe, went to six countries. Love it. And just like, why, why can’t you do it? You know? But I did struggle, um, with just the loss of freedom over my time initially. Mm-hmm.

Like, well, I was also really young, but it was like, oh my gosh, I went from a life where I could do whatever I wanted all day. Mm-hmm. And like, I was in charge of my time too. Now a human needs me to survive. Yeah. Every two hours. And so I think for me, zero to one was the hardest for that reason. Mm-hmm. For sure.

Just of like, there, there is nothing that can prepare you for that reality of you now are someone’s life depends on you and truly you. I mean, everything changes overnight. So it just takes that time. And I think, you know, I, I’m similar where we didn’t, we live by family for a while, but then moved away and my parents have a very busy life and mm-hmm.

And career. And so all my help has been paid totally. In the beginning, I didn’t have money for that. And so it is challenging and it speaks to, I think that we’re not meant to be doing this so alone or with just two people and Yeah. Um, I feel so fortunate today that, I mean, I’ve got a full-time nanny. I call her my wife.

Like, it’s amazing. I don’t know what I would do without her. In the beginning I didn’t have that. And it’s hard when, when it’s just a mom and a dad, it is plus business. Mm-hmm. Almost impossible. Um, not impossible, but a hard season for sure. And then it’s a season for sure, and you get out of it. But I think, you know, we, we are meant to be doing this in community for sure.

And I realize that after having kids of like, wow. We, we are meant to have community of women supporting women through this.

Nikki: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I feel like that was, what, that was really helpful is being around more moms for me in like that early season, like just being surrounded by people who were in it too.

I feel like, you know, although we’re not taking care of each other’s kids, it’s like we’re we’re able to just be in the season at the same time. And I think that that just really helps and, and opens up perspectives. I feel like, um, I really just like banded to this group of moms because I was like, I can’t relate to the people who aren’t having kids right now because I’m like so deeply entrenched into this new chapter.

Like, I need to be surrounded in conversations about what is going on. And so I think that it’s so important to have a community around you who is going through it, um, while also, you know, receiving, like you said, the support and knowing when to ask for help. Um, I had my son full-time for the first 10 months and I was so like desperate for some time to myself and I was like, alright, I’m calling it, I need help.

I finally need some real help here. And it’s like, that is like when everything shifted. I feel like I became such a better mother when I asked for help.

Emily: For sure. Me too. Like I, I am such a, a better mom with support

Nikki: in the house.

Emily: Yeah. Like I couldn’t imagine myself right now without my, without my nanny.

There’s no way.

Nikki: Yeah.

Emily: Um, what would you say are some of the biggest perspective shifts or lessons that come to mind just in the last few years with solely and becoming a mom business man? Because you really are good at like. You’re, you’ve got a problem that you’re facing and then you kind of overcome yourself.

Like you’re like, you know, you po the other day about the no complaining challenge. Mm-hmm. Just different things that you’re really good at, like sitting with yourself and going like, all right, here’s the perspective shift or here’s what we need to do. Yeah. To make a shift, make a change.

Nikki: I don’t know if this is answering your question, but it’s like, what’s bubbling up?

So I’m just gonna talk, but I feel like my greatest teacher and takeaway from this chapter of my life is that I think that Sully is a version of me. He is a very specific version of me who is highly emotive, um, very bright and expressive, and I witnessed myself wanting to respond to him in the ways that my parents did that I’m unpacking forever.

1. Of like my emotions matter, acknowledge them, like all this stuff, like I’m witnessing, I feel like I’m healing so much by having compassion for my, my parents, specifically my mom in how she responded to some of my big explosive emotions and like ways of being. I’m also learning how to rewrite my own like automatic response and learn how to actually respond to him in a way that’s healing for him and healing me in return.

So I feel like I’ve been given this, this, this child who is so, so incredibly similar to me and I’m witnessing the complexity of it and I’m seeing how hard it is and I’m seeing how beautiful it is. And it is just like, it is my mission to, to support him and allow for, you know, the classic saying like your parents, I.

Ceiling is your floor.

Mm mm-hmm.

Nikki: And so I’m standing on my parents’ ceiling as my floor, and now I’m doing that for him. Right? It’s like I need to rise to a place where like I’m working through what was passed on to me so that it doesn’t happen to him and that he gets to stand on a new ceiling. You know?

So I feel like that has been my greatest like lock in for this whole season that I’m in, is that I’m getting an opportunity to like heal everything.

Emily: Yeah. I mean, our kids really are our greatest teachers and for sure. Brought to us for a reason. I feel like that, especially with Ella.

Nikki: I was gonna say.

Emily: Yeah, Ella is, yeah, Ella is my, they’re all my good teachers, but Ella is like me.

Mm-hmm. And I, I find myself getting triggered by the things that she does just like me. Totally. They’re, they’re very like, reactive and Yeah. Is so interesting. But I mean, it’s so beautiful. Like, to, to do the work. And did you have any, um, like did you hire anybody get any support in terms of like therapy or somatic work Yeah.

Or anything to work through the birth?

Nikki: Yeah. I, I went to a therapist for a little bit, but that actually just felt like it was digging too deep. I feel like I needed to do a lot more. Nervous system work. So I was seeing an acupuncturist for a while who I would go like every other month and Cindy got alive and well, oh, Uhhuh.

Her sessions are like intuitive massage and, and acupuncture. So it just felt like this trifecta for the body. But it was, I did a lot more like body-based. So I feel like the acupuncture was super supportive. Um, I started taking yin and like slower things, which are hard for me, uh, to do ’cause I’m such a mover.

But I, I kind of tried to find the opposite. I tried to find more stillness and more peace. Um, less talk, less emotion. ’cause I felt like I have no problem talking and expressing. I think that I needed to just like truly like heal my nervous system. And then I will say I did a closing of the bone ceremony, maybe like a couple months postpartum.

And that was really just a powerful. Closing of the chapter that was like that birth portal. Mm. So, um, yeah, those are the things. They were all very gentle because I think that like my, my body was shot. Mm-hmm. I didn’t need to revisit, I needed to like come back to center.

Emily: Mm-hmm. Like

Nikki: hold myself.

Emily: What’s a closing of the bones ceremony so people know.

Yeah.

Nikki: So, um, I believe it is deeply rooted in like the Mexican culture and it’s essentially a ritual and a ceremony where, you know, your bones are so opened and exposed through birth, that it’s this symbolic closing of the bones and like closing of that fourth trimester and almost putting you into this cocoon of like rebirth.

And so, you know, we did this whole beautiful. Ceremonial conversation. And then they did, um, this like bath, which was actually so beautiful. They like dumped like water and like blessings over me. They put this like steam, uh, container around me. So it was like literally like I was in a cocoon of warmth. It was just like putting yourself almost as the baby, like in a womb being nurtured.

And then they wrap you up in all of these cloths really, really tight. And it’s like this, you know, healing songs and all of this stuff. And then you set your intention and then they unravel you and it just is like this rebirth and it was so beautiful. And, uh, I feel like it was a really big, pivotal part in me being able to like breathe again.

Mm-hmm. Just because it hit all of the right energies. You cracked open, you’re mothering, you need to be mothered also in the process. And it just kind of like brought me back into myself. That way it nurtured me, you know?

Emily: That’s beautiful. I didn’t even know of that. That was you in Austin?

Nikki: Yeah. Highly recommend.

Yeah. That’s awesome. They’re all a little different, but that one was like four and a half hours long.

Emily: Wow. And then what about you as an entrepreneur and that shift after, and like what’s next for you and, you know, you’re, you’ve got super focused after you have a baby and like you had to kind of transition to that.

Mm-hmm. But how did you navigate that?

Nikki: Well, I feel the raw, authentic answer is that my nervous system was still shot when I went full fledged back into entrepreneurship. Which is which, how

Emily: long was that actually after you had, so, um,

Nikki: it was like that 10 month mark. It was like when I got my, okay. So you took about 10 months off?

10 months off pretty much. Uh, I mean I did like a couple my moving meditation programs here and there, but it wasn’t like I was like committed. You know, was

Emily: that intentional? Like did you say I’m gonna take 10 months off? Or did you just kind of feel it afterwards, like when you were ready?

Nikki: Yeah, I just kind of felt it.

’cause I was in such a raw state and I didn’t feel like ready to like fully dive in and everything was still like forming. But when I was like, oh, I’ve got a nanny, okay, I wanna feel like myself, so I’m gonna go back into entrepreneurship, my nervous system was still shot. And that’s like when I had this like huge like health episode where my body just like shut down.

And that’s when I like did a lot of my nervous system healing, where I was like, oh, okay. And that also allowed for me to enter into entrepreneurship a little bit gentler and a little bit more calculated in the sense that I was like, okay, I’m gonna put X amount of time toward this X amount of time toward that.

And then I need to take a break, right? It’s like I just had to really balance myself, um, before really like flying with it, which I feel like I’m in a place where my head is kind of down and I’m flying with, with things. But, um, I just had to be really, really careful because as you, as you pointed out, like now I’m a mom, so I’m building my second business around.

Like I need balance. I can’t just, uh, I can’t just fly by the seat of my pants, which I definitely did in my coaching business. Like I need more methodical days. Mm-hmm. And processes and steps and processes.

Emily: It’s like so perfect how you were in that pivot right around when you had him, because it probably made it easier to not.

Work during that 10 months ’cause you were like in this transition. Whereas if you had like a whole roster of clients waiting for you to come back and coach them, it might’ve been harder to take the 10 months

Nikki: off

Emily: and not really work.

Nikki: So it’s like the blessing and the curse of like this transition where, um, my husband and I are like, okay, we’re just starting at rock bottom.

We’ve got a baby we’re building. But I also had so much time to let Embodyed, like show itself to me more and more,

Emily: which I feel like was so necessary for you, so necessary to flesh that out. And did you, when you were bringing the method, did you like practice it yourself a lot of times to, you know, get it where you wanted before your first class?

Nikki: Yeah, it’s a, it’s a labor of love to create a class because it’s like all, I like memorize the music and the movements where it hits the music. Like, that’s what makes it very experiential. So it’s like I create this entire like 50 minute piece. So I definitely practiced it a ton on myself so that I knew when, when to cue things and when to take things into the next, you know, movement or song or whatnot.

Um, did you make Gunther

Emily: do it ever? He loves it. I love it.

Nikki: Gunther’s your husband? He has a dance wound for sure, like from a school dance in eighth grade and. He came in and had some serious healing for himself, just being like a man afraid to dance. He like, wouldn’t dance with me at weddings. And then he takes him Embodyed and he’s preaching for his life, like opening his heart and he’s like, this feels so good.

I’m like, good. Because it’s typically women that come to my class. But like when men actually let themselves feel that way, it’s, I mean, it’s a whole new I

Emily: bet, because a lot

Nikki: caliber

Emily: more than women. Men struggle to dance and let themselves go. I watched that at, at the event last week. They do every break they play music.

Yeah. Right before you come back and everybody goes up and dances. Cool. And it’s funny to watch. Yeah. Women versus men. The men are just like barely like swaying. They really struggle with it. So that’s cool. I love that. I do that.

Nikki: Yeah. I, I, I think I need to do like an all men’s class and just be like, you

Emily: should,

Nikki: we’re all gonna get in the room and we’re gonna get deep.

Let’s go.

Emily: And I feel like if there was like more, there was like a lot of them. Yeah, they probably would. Do it. Yeah. Easier. Yeah. If it wasn’t, if you’re like the only guy with a bunch of women, I could see how that’s more intimidating.

Nikki: Yeah. But no, he’s, he’s been a great support and, um, it’s been fun that it’s touched him as well, so that has made it very full circle.

Emily: Yeah. And I, I adore you too. So, um, he pivoted his business. You pivoted your business. You just said, you know, my partner and I were like, okay, we’re, you know, starting over rock bottom type of, yeah. Yeah. How, how did you navigate that?

Nikki: We’re still navigating it. Yeah. Like very much. Um, and I think it’s this, this faith in the unknown mm-hmm.

That we’re really living in because it’s very easy to get into lack and into scarcity and to make decisions that are quick hits that like veer you off from your path. And I think sometimes, you know, you can have some supplemental stuff, stuff coming in to support the vision, but I also think that both of us have such clear missions.

It’s a matter of just like. How have we been afraid to show up a hundred percent in our missions? Because that’s what life is asking for us right now is like, what have we not done, have been afraid of? What is like we’re playing it small, like how can we go all in on our visions? Because I know that both of us are very talented, very purpose-driven, put here to do these big things.

I think that like life is putting us in a circumstance to be like, okay,

Emily: and you like no other option

Nikki: truly, but to do that. Yeah. Truly because I found myself like lingering in like, oh, I need to get a corporate job and I need to like go back on all these things so that I can supplement and, and do all of that.

And I’m keeping my mind open to things that come to me, but I’m also like going all in on showing up more than I ever have. Trusting that whatever comes to me, whether it be something directly for my business or something supplemental, it’s gonna be on purpose instead of like clinging to control of like, I’m scared, I like, I’m gonna take something toxic and unaligned, misaligned.

So that I’m like, okay. Right now, like everything. I think we’ve just gotten to a point in our lives where it’s like, we can’t be misaligned anymore. Like once you’re like on an alignment path, misalignment feels like that much stronger. And if you’re trying to catapult a mission forward, like you gotta stay on that train.

Emily: Yeah. And I think it also gives you the opportunity to build this from a place that’s not about the money. Mm-hmm. And I, I feel like I, I see entrepreneurs go through phases in different ways where they like shut down a business, they get burned out or whatever. Yeah. They rebuild a new business and eventually you get to a place where you build something.

Beyond the money because you make the decisions like you’re making right now, of like, we don’t just say yes to something because we need the money, but it’s in alignment with the purpose. Mm-hmm.

And

Emily: with the mission. And, um, I think that’s really common. It’s like you, oftentimes you start a business with the main goal being money.

Mm-hmm.

Emily: In the very beginning. I know for me that was like my main goal. I new, new baby, gotta make money. And then once you do make money and you figure things out and you go on the journey and you create the experience, now you have contrast around what is in alignment, what is not, like, what am I actually doing?

Right. And I, I feel like that’s a little bit of where you’re at. Like anytime you rebuild it’s like, okay, now we get to rebuild from a whole different foundation,

Nikki: which is super cool. Totally. And I, this is making me think, I had a mentor for a while. I did some intuitive work for a couple years and she was like an intuitive.

And I remember her telling me, when you and Gunther have your child. He’s gonna be the best business coach you’ve ever hired, period. She is like everything that you guys have thought you needed to find through mentors and courses like you’re gonna find through him being with you in the world. And like that has never been like a more true statement, um, is that he is teaching us like, okay, we have to make some really like adult decisions and also build a structurally sound business.

’cause I almost feel opposite. Like, I kind of feel like Gunther and I got into what we’re doing ’cause we love it. And so we stay in the love part of it and then we’re like, and we need to build the foundation of finances so that it can sustain and build and grow because like money allows for your mission to reach more people.

Like that’s actually like the support of the impact money allows that to happen. Um, and so I think for us it’s like really teaching us how to build better businesses.

Emily: Yeah. With the, with the passion. Yeah. Being part of it, but, but make sure it. Yeah. Creates the money that allows you to continue to have the impact.

Yeah. Yeah. There, there is also such a, um, beautiful part of knowing you’ll be okay no matter what. Like going through those experiences, which I think every entrepreneur goes through and it’s seasons like even at the high levels, you know, I’ve been where I’m making a lot of money on the top and not a lot of money on the bottom.

Mm-hmm. And like, you have to sit with, am I okay with who I am and my family? And like, if, if I lost it all, would I be okay? Yep. All right. You know? Mm-hmm. And I think that’s, you don’t like make it and then you’ve made it forever. Right. In terms of success and, and money. And so you go through these seasons and cycles where I think it just allows you to be even more rooted in, stronger in who you are outside of.

Money and success and really like what matters, which is, are you in integrity with yourself and your family and your heart? Mm-hmm. You know, and, and as long as that’s in alignment, you can build something incredible. But when that’s out of alignment, eventually, it’s like a house of carts. Right. And I say this all the time with entrepreneurs.

Nikki: Yeah. Explain that a little bit more.

Emily: When the focus is, is the money, right? Yeah. And then like, my experience has been like when I started my business and then IF hit the first like million dollars. My very, um, unexperienced perception of this was like, oh, like I’ll be good forever. Got it. Yeah. You know, like I’ve made it, and then this was years ago and, you know, the, the revenue went down, but the payroll expense was still there.

And you have to like, come up with, come up against yourself with. Would I be okay if I lost it all? Yeah. Yeah. And like, what are my actual values and why am I actually doing this? And that builds, I think, resilience for the next level. And if you don’t in those, in those situations, really come back to what’s like the most important, like if you’ve lost track of why you’re even doing it.

Yeah. And you see this a lot in the coaching, right? Mm-hmm. Where it’s like the businesses that were here two years ago and are completely gone today. Mm-hmm. That’s the like house of cards, I think because there was no mission, there was no connection back to themselves. There was, yeah. You gotta be so rooted in yourself that you know you’ll be okay no matter what.

Yeah. To, to go to that next level. And I think like, especially in the online space, yeah, there’s just a lot of, um, you’re always having to build a capacity for the next thing and then it builds your foundation. So. For me, like over the last, I don’t even know, like since Ella was born, I always say everything’s based off the kids’ timeline.

Yeah. But like last eight years, there’s been plenty of cycles of good and bad in a different way. Like top line revenue’s good, but then again some months or quarters, the bottom line is, is low and I’m the breadwinner. And so there’s the pressure. And so it’s, it’s actually the same pressure that you’re experiencing now on paper.

It’s like, oh, but you’ve got a multimillion dollar company. Right. But, but the pressure is, well, I also have 18, you know, employees to pay. Mm-hmm. And make sure they can feed their families, plus my own family. And so you’re sitting with the same thing of why am I doing this? Like what are my values? Yeah.

And I know I’ll be okay no matter what. Totally. And if I don’t know, it’ll be okay no matter what. Like that has to be addressed before we can get through this. And I mean, it’s also, I think. Business and your life, but business is the biggest personal development journey you could ever go on.

Nikki: For sure.

Because you

Emily: get to those hard seasons or like, I don’t even wanna say hard. Like you just get to those seasons Yep. Where there’s a challenge and you have to become the person who’s overcome that challenge. Yeah. And really, and that’s, that takes a lot of intention and energy.

Nikki: And also believing like the, the, what I’m like hearing and pulling on the threads is that like no matter what level, no matter what income, no matter like what success or exposure you have, like this similar difficulties and energies are at the every level.

So it’s not like, oh, I’m doing so well and then I’m at this new place and I’m never gonna feel that again. It’s just gonna come in a different suit.

Mm-hmm.

Nikki: Like, I just had a conversation with a, a friend of mine who has really made such a, a powerful, amazing, explosive business, and it’s like kind of in my lane.

And I admire her so much, and she like broke down crying to me on the phone, feeling a very similar energy of what I’m feeling in just a different way. Exactly. And it was so clarifying for me. I’m like, that never goes away.

Emily: Exactly. It never goes away. It never goes away. You’ll have seasons where it’s less or you don’t feel it much, but it never goes away.

Nikki: Yeah. You’re just a little bit of a vert different version when you deal with it, but you’re also dealing with different levels,

Emily: so you build capacity. Correct. That’s what I think is that you build capacity, so you have to go through those things so that you have the capacity for the next level. Yes. And that’s how I see it now.

Like when I’m in a challenging season, it’s like, okay, it’s, it’s pushing me into a place where I build the capacity and the skill mm-hmm. And the mindset and the beliefs and the thoughts to overcome this and be at the next level. Like I’m, I, I think challenge now is such a gift. Oh yeah. Yeah. And don’t resist it.

Just like, all right. Totally. Who do I have to become to overcome that challenge?

Nikki: Oh, and that’s like, I feel like so much of like what motherhood has done for me from a capacity standpoint is like showing me how much I can hold at once and not crumble or die. Right? Is it’s just like we’re constantly learning how much we can actually hold, and then we have to sink into that a little bit bef, you know, so we don’t crumble.

But like, it’s always expanding our, our reach, our capacity, and our trust in ourselves because we have to trust that we can hold more. I, I, I’ve been like sitting with this, this conversation that a friend of mine and I had, and she was like, I don’t think that people are actually afraid of failure. I think people are afraid of their power because of like the capacity of holding more means X, Y, and Z.

Are you able to hold that and not crumble? Right. And it’s not like, oh, I’m gonna fail. It’s like, no, holding more just means that you’re gonna be asked. To hold more and be more and stay there. And that feels uncomfortable to people. Way more than the discomfort of failing. You just fail and you get back up.

But like to actually be in your power and to hold all of that is like a way bigger ask.

Emily: Right? Yeah. And as you were saying that, you know, with motherhood, it’s the same as like you have one kid that builds your capacity. Now you can have two. It’s like the the first kid you have. You can’t even imagine having a toddler and a baby, but somehow you do it.

And through that, the only way to build the capacity is through experience.

Mm-hmm.

Emily: Which comes back to appreciating the process, appreciating the journey. Like so much of, even now, how I look at my CrossFit training and my business. And anything that I put my mind to and I decide as a priority is like I’m actually doing it for the process and the journey and not the finish line.

Mm.

Emily: And I used to do everything for the finish line. Totally. Then your identity is wrapped in, I have to get to that finish line to be a whatever. Mm-hmm. X, Y, z And I think I knew that I was doing things for the for, for a, from a healthy place when I could appreciate the journey, no matter the outcome.

Nikki: Well, and I think that that positions you differently in the way you experience life. Because when you’re looking at, like, I call it the life ladder, when you’re looking at the finish line, by the time you’re at the finish line, you’re already looking at the next thing. You don’t even give a shit that you’re at the finish line.

So instead you’re actually like savoring the present moment. You’re inside the stretching and you’re feeling the goodness that it feels to be like, oh, I got a really shitty night of sleep last night and I was still able to show up on a podcast today. Yeah, currently. Yeah. But um, yeah, I just think that when you can find that, that sweetness in the, in the present, then there is no destination because you’re always becoming,

Emily: yeah.

I said this to Michelle, our friend, we had dinner the other day and I was like, you know, the more, the more I, you know, do work and go through the journey, the more I realize it’s just about being in the present moment as much as you possibly can. Totally. Like that is the full experience of the present moment, whatever that is, and just being present with it without judgment.

Yep. Like that is, I mean, that it’s taken me so long to even get there and I find myself today like. Driving and being like, okay, I’m gonna take three breaths and just be in the present moment. I’m just gonna notice I did it this morning. I was taking Willie to preschool. He had to go tell my neighbor something and I rolled the window down instead of like going on my phone while I went to tell the neighbor.

I just looked outside and was like, I’m present. I’m here right now in this moment. And that’s like my daily right now. How do I feel right now in the present moment? Just it is.

Nikki: And not filling moments with grabbing the phone. Right? Like it’s such a habit now to have every moment filled with thought or I.

Dopamine hit Uhhuh that we forget how to be present. And I think that then presence starts to feel uncomfortable and that’s why people like stray away from it. And I think the phone specifically, like for us, especially like if we’re putting Sully to bed, I’m like, do not bring your phone up there, like when he falls asleep or when you’re in there, just be in the darkness.

What a gift. Mm-hmm. To be in silent darkness for 10 minutes.

Emily: Mm-hmm. You know? It’s amazing how challenging it can be to do that

Nikki: so hard.

Emily: Yeah.

Nikki: But it’s like the gateway of meditation. It’s the gateway of experiencing life instead of like pretending to live it.

Emily: Truly. And it’s a, it is an intentional daily choice.

Mm-hmm.

Emily: Is to, to be in the present and to not let your environment dictate your day. Oof. Most people live in where it’s, I. Their environment is telling them how to respond. The email, the social media, the phone, the kids. Yeah. The more I I, um, Joe calls like taming the animal, right? Mm-hmm. You, you’re taming the animal to be like, no, this is, this is how it, like you’re gonna leave that phone over there, gonna walk out there and you’re gonna not touch it for 20 minutes.

And, and I just resonate to that so much because I, I have, um, a, a strong willpower. Right. So then when you look at it as like, you are not actually your body.

Yeah.

Emily: Our body is a vessel mm-hmm. And has, is the subconscious mind and has so much information, but we don’t have to just like, respond to all this chemicals and mm-hmm.

Things around us, we can actually overcome it.

Nikki: Yeah. Because it’s rebellious. Yeah. Right. It always tries to be rebellious and like, but what if we just do it once?

Emily: Yeah.

Nikki: And, and you have to kind of like pull in that inner. Teacher guide to come back to center over and over and over again. Yeah. And it comes back to just like repetition.

Emily: Yeah.

Nikki: Building the reps, building the muscle so that it becomes a second nature.

Emily: Yeah. And I, I commented, um, on your post where you said the no complaining challenge.

Yeah, yeah.

Emily: Love that. And I think that is a, a reframe I’ll share too, is like anything that, like if you’re like, oh, I have this problem, I, I always look at social media when I’m putting my kid to sleep, or I have this problem, you know, in the business that, you know, I’m not, the, the payments are failing, whatever.

And instead of it being a problem that you can complain about, that’s so much easier to do that. Right, right. Like so much. More fun sometimes to be like, you’re not gonna believe this thing that happened today, this person. Yeah. And instead say, I have this challenge.

Yeah.

Emily: I get to overcome this challenge.

And the thing is, especially entrepreneurs, but I think, you know, a lot of people, if we’re faced with a challenge, we’re like, oh, let’s go totally. Like let’s, we’re gonna overcome this. Yep. It’s a challenge. It’s just such a different energy than a problem.

Nikki: Yeah.

Emily: And that for me was last week that I had that reframe.

And so I’ll share this quick story. I was telling Peter this morning, um, I have this current situation with an employee that was making me mad yesterday. And, um, sometimes when I get mad I’ll be like, I just want them to feel how mad I am. Like I want them to feel how dumb that decision was. Mm-hmm. And like, there’s this energy to it.

Right. And that’s essentially me just giving away my energy to them.

Yeah.

Emily: And so I was like, okay, instead of it being a problem, this is a challenge

mm-hmm.

Emily: That, that we get to solve. Mm-hmm. And learn from. And I went into meditation last night and I was like, I will not get up from this meditation until I feel love for that person.

Ooh, love. Like, you cannot get out of this. And I went into it like so mad. Like, I was like, what an idiot to like, you know, human. And I’m like, okay, you can, it’s a 48 minute meditation and if you’re still mad at them at the end, you have to sit here until you actually feel gratitude and love for them. Wow.

It took like five minutes and I was just like, oh, they’re trying their best. Like, it just totally changed my mindset. And then the crazy thing is. It caused me to, like, I, I end the meditation, there’s a message ’cause the situation’s happening and I say, you know, thanks so much for all your work on this. I know it’s a stressful thing for everybody.

Like, that was my res ’cause now I’m coming from a place of, of love. And, um, they stayed up late last night. I wake up to a message that the problems solved and it was like 10:00 PM Wow. Right? And so I’m like, okay, that was easy. All I had to do was it, it felt better for me to respond to that person in the moment and be like, yeah, I’m so mad and disappointed, you know, blah, blah, blah.

But I, all I had to do was say, okay, you’re gonna sit down. You’re not gonna get up until you feel that. And then it changed their behavior.

Nikki: That’s really.

Emily: So that’s my new strategy.

Nikki: Wow. And what do you feel like allowed for that to happen so quickly for you? Like what was the shift or like the point that you started kind of like reframing it and actually feeling the real belief of that?

Emily: Yeah, so in the meditation it was partly there was tuning into your heart. So I did that and I really just had myself recognize the effort they were putting into it. Mm. And it wasn’t like it was easy for me to then be like, obviously they don’t wanna mess up. Yeah. And they don’t want this stressful situation either.

Yeah. They are doing their best. That’s a fact. And so I can have compassion and still set standards, but have compassion and so it was like, I think I just pulled myself out of that moment of like, I am right and this is how it should be. Mm-hmm. And took a step back and saw it from a different lens.

Mm-hmm.

Emily: And I think, like, if you can, if I can stay in that place, then that’s where I’ve been since coming back from the event is like, I can’t even hate someone right now. That’s amazing. And be mad. Like I don’t have it in me.

Nikki: Yeah. Well, and like Maryanne Williamson, in her book Return to Love, she said that there’s literally just two frequencies that exist in the world when you categorize them, bring them all down, and it’s love and fear and you’re always going toward one.

Mm-hmm. But

Nikki: love always is the thing that’s going to bring you what you actually wanna feel.

Mm-hmm.

Nikki: Yet so much of our reactivity and our responses are coming from this like fear because the undertone is like, they’re gonna mess up something in me, something with my business. I’m afraid that things are gonna crumble and I’m gonna have to deal with it when instead they needed, um, to be seen.

Emily: Yeah.

Nikki: Right.

Emily: Yeah. And we, where our body is programmed to respond to lack

mm-hmm.

Emily: And to mm-hmm. To that fear. It’s like totally. I don’t have that thing. And so now I need to take these actions to get this thing or I, or, you know, we’re, we’re literally programmed to be playing the worst case scenario. Yeah.

So that they don’t happen. That’s like the job of our body, but it’s not reality. And then when you focus on that, your energy goes to the worst case scenario. Mm-hmm. Instead of like, wait, what if there’s a possibility where this whole situation was solved last night and all I had to do was give him some encouragement?

Mm. Which is what happened.

Nikki: Yeah. That’s such a beautiful, like, lesson. It’s like option three.

Emily: Yeah. What if there’s an option where it all

Nikki: works out just fine?

Emily: And there always is. Yeah. But

Nikki: we,

Emily: we, at least me, like, I’d be like, no, this is how it is. This is the fact, this is the bad part of this is the situation.

It’s like, no, but what if, what if that isn’t how it has to happen? And it, and it’s as simple as your perspective and energetic shift. That’s it. And how you see the situation. Yeah. Because we’re all perceiving. Reality in our own way and also not perceiving reality. Like there’s so much that we can’t even see and take in.

Nikki: Yeah. And I would say that your commitment to being in your heart space through doing all these meditations makes it easier for you to access the frequency of love and like that decision.

Emily: Yeah. And I’m so committed to staying there ’cause I’m like, life is so much better here. Like you’re, you’re like driving, you’re like, open your heart.

You go, it’s fine. Go ahead. You cut me off. It’s fine. Oh. Like, because I’ve, you know, like you can spend so much time, especially today, I think people are just so mad at each other For sure. You’re just like, you’re an idiot. You’re an idiot. And you don’t know what you’re talking about. And I, prior to last week, I would’ve on, to be honest with you, like had conversations with Peter, I’d be like, there’s a lot of stupid people in this world.

Mm-hmm. And it’s like, but what if everybody’s doing their best is hurting in some way? And by thinking that way, you’re only taken away from your own. Power in your own energy

Nikki: 100%.

Emily: And to run a company from that place and have a team, especially from someone who struggles with that, like, I’ve got a fire in me.

I think it’s gonna be pretty life changing. So,

Nikki: well, clearly Embodied Marketing is like getting deeper and deeper into the embodiment of heart led leader, so that’s beautiful.

Emily: Yeah. Where should everybody go if they would love to learn more about Embodyed in the app coming out?

Nikki: Yeah, the app stay tuned. I feel like just find me on Instagram.

That’s the easiest. I’m sure you can link it in the show notes, but @nikki.norenberg. And then I’ll be launching kind of a soft launch to my app, most likely in June. And on the app you’ll find those moving meditations and you’ll find some of the classes you can take virtually. Um, otherwise I teach pretty much twice a week in Austin live.

Emily: Yeah. And highly recommend her class. I have lots of friends who go to that class and love it. I gotta get there. Yes, I will get there. Yes. But I love your work. Of course. Thank you. Thank you so much for today. 

Nikki: Thanks for having me.